X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5a43:0:b0:64f:9386:a3a6 with SMTP id ej3-20020ad45a43000000b0064f9386a3a6mr424068qvb.7.1694079213558; Thu, 07 Sep 2023 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a25:df90:0:b0:d62:7f3f:621d with SMTP id w138-20020a25df90000000b00d627f3f621dmr519834ybg.11.1694079213291; Thu, 07 Sep 2023 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Path: ...!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: fr.sci.physique Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 02:33:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2001:861:8bb7:5500:9048:d484:a48e:6841; posting-account=PKzfqAoAAAC4-vQRW_wt6WFB3xnoeWfi NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:861:8bb7:5500:9048:d484:a48e:6841 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtSUl0gVG/Csj1UcsKyK0V0wrI=?= From: Richard Verret Injection-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2023 09:33:33 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bytes: 1774 Lines: 8 Le 07/09/2023 =C3=A0 09:40, Richard Verret a =C3=A9crit : > Le probl=C3=A8me est que je ne pose pas x =3D Vo.To, car j=E2=80=99invers= e la vision habituelle, qui est "ce qu=E2=80=99on observe est la r=C3=A9ali= t=C3=A9". Je rectifie, je suis d=E2=80=99accord avec ta proposition x =3D Vo To, mais= je maintiens ce que j=E2=80=99ai dit ces valeurs ne sont que des illusions= , il ne faut pas les prendre pour la r=C3=A9alit=C3=A9, on ne peut donc pas= dire Vo =3D c =3D> Tr =3D 0 car Tr existe, mais bien Vo =3D c =3D> To =3D = oo.=20