Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Nex Benedict Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 09:42:00 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 230 Message-ID: References: <17bb14f739538d3c$1982$3078224$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 13:42:00 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="866255e9d7f6f21dcf5228058326e7a5"; logging-data="3146420"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX194VVB/HIIGAmkWfv82XPFp" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:w3j0yX81SlGnGC+CcoZElV6UiIw= In-Reply-To: <17bb14f739538d3c$1982$3078224$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 12951 On 3/9/24 6:25 AM, trotsky wrote: > On 3/8/24 8:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article , FPP >> wrote: >> >>> On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> In article , FPP >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and >>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the >>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to >>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies. >>>> >>>>> So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad? >>>> >>>> I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks >>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting >>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore >>>> it again? >>>> >>>> Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here >>>> goes: >>>> >>>>> The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>> good enough >>>> >>>> Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring >>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got >>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And >>>> that's being generous. >>>> >>>> Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border >>>> every >>>> month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of >>>> prison >>>> in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit >>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to >>>> secure the border. >>>> >>>> First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is >>>> necessary in >>>> the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and >>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the >>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he >>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include >>>> refugees. >>>> There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum >>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be. >>>> >>>> There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into >>>> this country. Period. >>>> >>>> All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the >>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to >>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and >>>> constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just >>>> need to >>>> start enforcing existing laws as they stand. >>>> >>>> But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward >>>> solution, two things would happen: >>>> >>>> (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal >>>> voters >>>> once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to >>>> citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be >>>> described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society >>>> which >>>> can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding >>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied. >>>> >>>> (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions >>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that. >>>> >>>> So here we are. >>>> >>>> The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion >>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We >>>> already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing >>>> with >>>> that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion >>>> more on >>>> their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure >>>> the >>>> borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 >>>> billion for U.S. border security. >>>> >>>> So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders >>>> are >>>> proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two >>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own >>>> country. >>>> >>>> And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for >>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry >>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill >>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry >>>> assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified >>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and >>>> linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and >>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management >>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two >>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist >>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to >>>> come here in the first place. >>>> >>>> One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive >>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of >>>> illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day. >>>> >>>> Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this >>>> emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it >>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively >>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed. >>>> >>>> The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other >>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings. >>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, >>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have >>>> 20,000 >>>> of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count. >>>> >>>> And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even >>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the >>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a >>>> requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land >>>> ports of >>>> entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never >>>> closes >>>> but claims must be processed at the ports." >>>> >>>> So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border >>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers >>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by >>>> design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the >>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get >>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do >>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this >>>> never-ending firehose of illegals. >>>> >>>> In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the >>>> already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right >>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility >>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of >>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It >>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims. >>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've >>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would >>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a >>>> "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable" >>>> possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of >>>> saying >>>> 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can >>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned >>>> away if that's the standard. >>>> >>>> The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it >>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people >>>> imagined ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========