Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Aliens! Omg, ALIENS! Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:02:17 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 72 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="14082"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:5BOKhMnUz1LehhGho03vNLn1wVs= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id EC71C22976C; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:02:06 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3527229758 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:02:04 -0400 (EDT) id 6CADD7D12A; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 03:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4930F7D128 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 03:02:21 +0000 (UTC) id E2F0BDC01CC; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 05:02:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 05:02:19 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18I/4WbI36zqUK4mnmnrNnUTVpi0i0B9eo= Bytes: 3844 I've pointed it out before, not that anyone remembers it, assuming they ever read it but, the earth is constantly bombarded with alien signals. Constantly. The universe is so vast, the time scales are so phenomenally huge it's impossible that countless civilizations haven't arisen. Many? Most? Quite a lot of them, and probably most, are already extinct. But their signals are still reaching us. Constantly. From every direction. We can't detect them though. For us, alien signals are akin to microbial life in the days before the microscope was invented. Even if we're certain that they're there, we can't see them. We can't detect them. I've seen it claimed that our broadcasts signals wouldn't even be readable on the surface of Proxima Centauri, given our technology. Move our dishes to Proxima Centauri, point them towards earth and you are NOT going to be watching Seinfeld re-runs... Anyone old enough to remember rabbit ear antennas? Now imagine ten or 100 or 10 thousand light years away. Or a billion light years away. Or 5 billion. Most of the universe is EXTREMELY far away from us. Seeing how we don't actually know the rules, if any, for the development of life & higher civilizations, we've got to assume a fairly uniform distribution. Meaning, it's just as likely to form billions of light years away from us as it was to form right here. The universe is so vast, the overwhelming super majority of any civilizations to arise would originate so very far away from us that their signals would be totally undetectable. Perhaps they are so weak, so degraded that they could NEVER be readable. But... Imagine if a spy could sit in downtown Moscow and broadcast a signal -- perhaps even live video -- that was undetectable by the Russians, it was so weak? That's the sort of thing humanity might try to sell to the Pentagon; the technology needed to hunt for aliens would have national security benefits. Cha-Ching! So there is hope. Our darkest nature may be our brightest hope, in this regard. -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5