Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 19:17:58 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Canada to Start Punishing People for Pre-Crime References: <17bc7ef34c89321a$26$2906873$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com> <17bcb94811ebbd65$131538$1588242$4cd50660@news.newsdemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 19:17:59 +0000 Lines: 93 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-zeNX5jT7GT90X634e+Ovny0CIZUd5I5OUV/cTVXinq797d01cW6d6NDbDo3lFYlWGt86XZf380MOG3P!xEErGZxkjtgGzKXESzxn6VLxzO8o3WdlixkgjA6rm1up+wwZX2fBV5KIIxyEr38fNMG013u9hhTd X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5498 X-Original-Lines: 85 On Mar 14, 2024 at 12:47:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: > On 3/13/2024 10:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article <17bc7ef34c89321a$26$2906873$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>, >> moviePig wrote: >> >>> On 3/13/2024 7:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> On 3/13/2024 4:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> In article >>>>>> <17bc6a65e0fefe3d$133203$1098985$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/12/2024 11:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <75r1vidlcuq3nd6lsnd4o1s254bn9khpgu@4ax.com>, >>>>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:10:11 -0400, Rhino >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A bill passed earlier in Trudeau's Reign of Error made people >>>>>>>>>> eligible for two years in prison for "mis-gendering" (i.e. correctly >>>>>>>>>> identifying the gender of an individual). They got away with tha >>>>>>>>>> so now they've upped the ante to put us in prison for life for >>>>>>>>>> hate speech. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I suppose I could be in trouble then since I have publicly and online >>>>>>>>> denounced the Gladue decision and the UNDRIP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone pointed out to Trudeau how ironic it is that a guy who has >>>>>>>> been caught in blackface is now proposing life sentences for hate >>>>>>>> speech? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone suggested he lead by example and check himself into the >>>>>>>> nearest maximum security prison? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Trudeau's blackface wasn't a clear expression of hate ...which 'hate >>>>>>> speech' presumably is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, there's always an excuse for why "it's different when we do it". >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask any BLM/NAACP/black racial grievance group if they consider >>>>>> appearing blackface to be hate and I bet they have a different standard >>>>>> than you do. And the rules of political correctness say their definition >>>>>> controls. >>>>> >>>>> No, there isn't "always an excuse" for why it might be "different". >>>>> Consider, for example, the recent discussion of RuPaul's book-banning. >>>>> >>>>> Meanwhile, the question of 'hate' is determined by the offender's state >>>>> of mind, not the offendee's. >>>> >>>> Not according to all the woke DEI training everyone has to go through these >>>> days. Your intent doesn't matter. It's the offended person's feelings that >>>> matter. >>>> >>>> That's why people can get fired for using the word niggardly. Doesn't >>>> matter if the word has no racial meaning. Doesn't matter that the person >>>> who used it had no intent to offend. All that matters is that a stupid >>>> person with a stunted vocabulary was offended. >>> >>> 'Training' is presumably to let people know what things might be >>> unexpectedly injurious. >> >> No, they don't go through a list of what's offensive. They just tell you >> that it doesn't matter what you meant or intended. Only the offended >> person's thoughts and feelings matter. NOTE: In a current case against the ACLU, this is exactly what the ACLU is arguing: intent doesn't matter. Only the offense of the aggrieved matters. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/aclu-employee-fired-race-bias.html The case raises some intriguing questions about the wide swath of employee behavior and speech that labor law protects-- and how the nation's pre-eminent civil rights organization finds itself on the opposite side of that law, arguing that those protections should not apply to its former employee. A lawyer representing the ACLU, Ken Margolis, said during a legal proceeding last year that it was irrelevant whether Ms. Oh bore no racist ill will. All that mattered, he said, was that her black colleagues were offended and injured. >>> 'Hate' is what might be inferred of someone who does such things despite >>> already knowing. >>> >>> By now, we'd both bet that 'niggardly' is used primarily to taunt. >> >> Presumption of guilt. One of America's core values, amirite? > > Expectation isn't presumption.