Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Gov. Katie Hobbs (D Arizona) vetoes bill allowing police to arrest trespassers falsely claiming to be tenants Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 10:24:53 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <2vl03jltkhjgbatrjvpa09fh5fkvcf3hne@4ax.com> <-s2cnbhkjOPmp6z7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 16:24:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0c83f6508d5a0d8ab96505af93f8f3c0"; logging-data="4101412"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19V9vMzmzaNB9u+15dDgTkA" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:yGjKZuA57bfRg7grECrSCRh25b4= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 5242 On 5/1/24 1:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , FPP > wrote: > >> On 4/30/24 2:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> On Apr 30, 2024 at 6:10:38 AM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/30/2024 1:23 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>> Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:14:19 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman >>>>>> : >>>>> >>>>>>> It looked like Arizona was going to stand up for property owners >>>>>>> dealing with trespassers falsely claiming to be tenants that police >>>>>>> won't arrest. But the governor vetoed the bill. >>>>> >>>>>>> If it had become law, police could have immediately removed these >>>>>>> fake tenants. >>>>> >>>>>>> The governor claimed it "fails to leverage existing legal mechanisms, >>>>>>> respect the due process rights of lawful tenants, and minimize >>>>>>> unintended consequences such as for victims of domestic violence." >>>>> >>>>>>> The bill's sponsor said it did not affect existing landlord-tenant >>>>>>> law, and it exempted family members and those agreeing to co-habitate. >>>>> >>>>>> What the heck do issues of domestic violence have to do with squatters >>>>>> moving in when the homeowner is away and refusing to vamoose in near >>>>>> record time when found out? >>>>> >>>>> Let's be more precise with language. Someone falsely claiming to be a >>>>> tenant is not a squatter. Squatting has to do with hostile encroachment >>>>> upon abandoned land. A homeowner temporarily away has not abandoned his >>>>> land. These are trespassers. >>>>> >>>>>> If >I< were Governor I'd work towards instant eviction along with >>>>>> award of damages as soon as an injuction were obtained and i would >>>>>> order application for such injunctions get ultra-high priority in >>>>>> court scheduling. (I'd be satisfied with 2-3 hour turnaround - and >>>>>> DEFINITELY not 4-6 weeks as I've heard of in some jurisdictions) >>>>> >>>> ROFLMAO. You have no clue how the courts actually work. >>> >>> Courts enforce the law. Change the law and the courts have no choice >>> but to comply with it. > >> Courts don't enforce the law. You're supposed to be a LAWYER, for >> fuck's sake. Ask USCourts.gov. >> >>> The federal judiciary operates separately from the executive and >>> legislative branches, but often works with them as the Constitution >>> requires. Federal laws are passed by Congress and signed by the president. >>> The judicial branch decides the constitutionality of federal laws and >>> resolves other disputes about federal laws. However, judges depend on our >>> government's executive branch to enforce court decisions. > > And here Effa uses one of his favorite "change the subject" tactics, > hoping no one will notice and he'll score a win on Usenet today. > > Everything he cited references the federal courts when the federal > courts have nothing to do with state landlord/tenant law. His entire > response is an irrelevancy. > > Nothing he wrote above changes the fact that if the Arizona legislature > changed the law and gave citizens the right to summarily eject > squatters, a state court would apply that law to any case coming before > it. > Courts don't enforce laws, counselor. Any garden variety idiot knows that... but you. You call yourself a lawyer and a LEO, and you don't know that? -- "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0 Gracie, age 6. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0