Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:19:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Canada to Start Punishing People for Pre-Crime Content-Language: en-US Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv References: From: moviePig In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 88 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:19:31 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 4602 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17bc1dd7c9d7d04f$139926$2218499$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 4984 On 3/12/2024 3:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > shawn wrote: > >> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 05:03:25 +0000, BTR1701 >> wrote: >> >>> Locking people up for crimes they might commit and life in prison for hate >>> speech. Looks like Canadia is well on its way to the Putin-level >>> authoritarianism. >>> >>> If this bill passes, you'll get significantly more time in prison in Canada >>> for making a racist comment than you you will for raping a child. >>> >>> Progressivism! >>> >>> ---------------------------- >>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/07/justin-trudeau-canada-legis >>> lation-hate-crimes-free-speech/ >>> >>> Justin Trudeau's government has proposed a law giving judges the power to >>> put someone under house arrest if they fear they could commit a hate crime. >>> >>> Critics have warned the draconian bill is an overreach of power and could >>> stifle free speech and difficult discussions. >>> >>> But Canada's justice minister defended the measure, claiming it would be an >>> important tool to help protect potential victims. >> >> Who is going to protect the victims of the government putting them >> under house arrest for the crime they might commit some day. >> >>> An online harms bill introduced by the Liberals last week proposed a string >>> of laws to protect children and prosecute hate crimes. >>> >>> One of the suggested measures would give judges the ability to put people >>> under house arrest who they worry could commit a hate crime in the future. >>> The person could also be made to wear an electronic tag if the >>> attorney-general requested it. >> >> So the judge is deciding if a person might commit a crime in the >> future? Nothing could go wrong with that ability being given to judges >> as we know they never make mistakes. >> >>> Arif Virani, the justice minister, said the measures could prove very >>> important in restraining the behaviour of someone who might be targeting >>> minority groups. >> >> Might being the key word >> >>> "[If] there's a genuine fear of an escalation, then an individual or group >>> could come forward and seek a peace bond against them and to prevent them >> >from doing certain things," Mr Virani said. >>> >>> Preventative measures could include banning the person from being near a >>> synagogue or a mosque or restrictions on internet use. >> >> Again this is being discussed for what someone might do and not what >> they actually have done? At least so far as I know when such >> restrictions on people using the Internet in the USA it has been in >> reaction to things that they've actually done like with Kevin Mitnick. > > I've never understood how you can sentence someone to no internet use in > today's world anyway. You use the internet in a million different ways > every day. > > How could you do any banking at all? Even in-person banking at an ATM > uses the internet. Or pay for something with a credit/debit card? Again, > that's using the internet. > > When you get on an elevator in an office building, you're using the > internet because the elevator is connected to the building's remote > management system and uses the internet to control things like elevators > from some remote location. > > Driving a car uses the internet. Most modern cars have dozens of > internet-enabled features, especially the fancier ones what can > 'self-drive'. > > Even simply watching TV now is using the internet. Not just streaming, > either. Watching cable TV is using the internet also. > > Anyone sentenced to no internet use as a condition of parole will likely > violate it before they leave the courthouse. That's like saying you use nuclear power if you get a suntan.