Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 15:46:16 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 97 Message-ID: References: <9kednTImBeTyi977nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <20240517214352.0000779c@example.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 21:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7632b231e5147245b88ee3cb2ceca6e7"; logging-data="3085223"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1++6VnW0dLVZ7uE+KLk5dcy0FRdxLj/q2c=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:95TQhi+SstlzChCmTLJN8HPwwe8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 6399 On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > moviePig wrote: > >> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700 >>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for sight-readers, >>>>> >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy. >>>>> > >>>>> >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or something.) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians who have >>>>> managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert pianists these days >>>>> are of Asian origin... >>>> >>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you. >>>> >>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that they >>>> weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and attributed this >>>> to race. To address that, all or most auditions for orchestras started >>>> being done behind screens so that the judges could only hear the >>>> performance but not see the performer. But apparently Asians are now >>>> seen as white or white allies and a certain group of people who I'll >>>> call People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply be >>>> given positions on orchestras without auditioning because they have >>>> been discriminated against in the past. I assume they're proposing some >>>> kind of quota system but I'm not sure what percentage of the slots >>>> they're demanding. >>>> >>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support among the >>>> people who decide these things but, given the way things are going in >>>> general, I would be surprised if this was NOT done. Competence is going >>>> out of the window to be replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny all of >>>> this and/or defend it. >>> >>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, where >>> literally everything in America was discovered to be racist, there was >>> an article in the New York Times that asserted that the blind audition >>> system used by most professional orchestras and ensembles was racist >>> because it *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process. >>> >>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and the judges >>> have no idea who the person is, what race they are, what gender they are, >>> etc., it takes away the judge's ability to racially discriminate. This >>> used to be considered a good thing, but in today's woke world, the >>> inability to racially discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over >>> whites) is a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to >>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure >>> talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to base a >>> decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' enough for the >>> intelligentsia. >>> >>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to remove that >>> screen so the judges see the players, can actively discriminate against >>> whites and Asians, and make hiring decisions based on race and gender, >>> rather than ability to play the music. >>> >>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of racial >>> discrimination is the goal of the modern 'progressive'... well, I have a >>> few bridges to sell them. >>> >>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid of blind >>> auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too many white classical >>> musicians, there strangely was no plan to 'fix' the problem of too many >>> black basketball players (or any recognition that it even is a problem >>> in the first place). Wonder why that is? >> >> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' as >> though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view? > > I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class so that > you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to whitey. > > Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than that they > can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised you cheerlead for > it. > > Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and they > somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on sheer talent > and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's not seen as a > 'diversity' success but a problem that needs 'fixing'. But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an artificially bifurcate society.