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Subject: Re: Rio e riu (pt)
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Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
> Na conjugação do verbo ‘rir’ vemos semelhanças cruzadas em quatro
> formas verbais: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rir#Conjugation_3
> ri = she laughs
> ri = I laughed
> E também:
> rio = I laugh
> riu = she laughed

I laugh of January

https://br.pinterest.com/pin/576249714819711035/


> 
> Pergunta: as pronúncias de ‘rio’ e ‘rui’ são idênticas? Ou existe uma
> differença subtil? Eu pensaria: em ‘rio’ o acento tónico está no i, em
> ‘riu’ o acento está no ditongo enteiro.

*alguma (otherwise it suggests you have the exact difference in mind -
which you do have, but then the entire tone of the paragraph changes
markedly)

*pensaria que em

It depends on dialect. Around Lisbon there's a tendency to pronounce final
-io as a diphthong (whatever the word).

(Many people also have the mistaken impression that the norm is based on
the speech of that area.)

> 
> Cf. período, que muitos parece dizer como periúdo, porque, penso eu, o
> acento não cai no i, mas em <io> pronunciado [iu] ou [iw].

*parecem

-íodo is remarkably problematic for our phonotactics, and what people do is
substitute -iúdo. A stressed [iw] diphthong doesn't work either, although
we sometimes try to make it do.
[Ew] is the other diphthong we have trouble stressing non-finally.