Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_A_simulating_halt_decider_applied_to_the_The_Peter_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Linz_Turing_Machine_description_=E2=9F=A8=C4=A4=E2=9F=A9?= Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 20:39:39 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 03:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="62ab2bf33c274f123184493b42753dfc"; logging-data="442632"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18zjhVgs5zz2KE3qjlMZztK" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:o2qZhEWCKoUWsqpguo4jFMgb1AM= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3472 On 5/27/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/27/24 9:04 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> I totally do. Can you please write down the >>>> "completely specified state transition/tape operation table." >>>> of this specific (thus uniquely identifiable) machine I would >>>> really like to see it. >>>> >>> >>> But it was proven that no such machine exists! >>> >>> Remember, the proof starts with the hypothetical that such a machine >>> exists. Such a machine WOULD HAVE a completely specified state >>> transition/tape operation table. >>> >> >> That is not what you said. >>  >>>>> There doesn't need to be a unique finite string, but it is a 100% >>  >>>>> completely specified state transition/tape operation table. >> >> "a 100% completely specified state transition/tape operation table" >> of a non-existent machine. > > Right, by presuming that you have a Turing Machine, you have a completly > specified state transition/tape operation table. > > You may not KNOW what that table is if you don't know what the exact > machine is, but you know it exists. > > >>> But it was proven that no such machine exists! If you can't notice that you are contradicting yourself it seems that no further progress can be made with you. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer