Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?A_simulating_halt_decider_applied_to_the_The_Peter_Linz_T?= =?UTF-8?B?dXJpbmcgTWFjaGluZSBkZXNjcmlwdGlvbiDin6jEpOKfqQ==?= Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 17:47:16 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 00:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="458305845cd025bf1a433877c96321fe"; logging-data="3849068"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+OUlMNCMa8t7vSNHUOcsUR" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:L4Ggwy1CMp2LyL9N3JrXpeNaEhM= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3858 On 5/26/2024 3:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/26/24 3:14 PM, olcott wrote: >> When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ >> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞ >> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn >> >> When we see that ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by embedded_H in an >> infinite number of steps cannot possibly reach its own simulated >> final state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ and halt then we correctly deduce that the >> same thing applies when simulating halt decider embedded_H correctly >> simulates less than an infinite number of steps of ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩. >> > > Nope. > > Since we are talking about Turing Machines, your stipulated POOP > definitions go away, https://www.liarparadox.org/Linz_Proof.pdf *Simplified the notation for Ĥ on the top of page three* and put back in the qy state shown in figure 12.2 When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞ Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn Ĥ copies its own Turing machine description: ⟨Ĥ⟩ then invokes embedded_H that simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ with ⟨Ĥ⟩ as input. It is an easily verified fact that ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by embedded_H cannot possibly reach its own simulated final state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ in any finite sequence of steps. *If you want to lie about this or fail to understand this* *irrefutable truth that only makes yourself look foolish* Any academicians reading this post will further conclude that your insults and ad hominem attacks are quite pathetic. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer