Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: No one can correctly refute that simulating abort decider A(D,D) is correct Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 22:34:08 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 03:34:10 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bfd65a280c18a2165003beacad9b3410"; logging-data="96178"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX190t5byEp+oOopuUCotEhGA" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yf9Xr3cLC0XbexqsDoNlP6LSwyo= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3231 On 3/28/2024 9:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/28/24 10:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>> Right, but as you have admitted, the behavior of that machine code >>> CHANGES depending on what is at the location of H. >>> >> >> The behavior of D simulated by any H that can possibly exist >> remains the same. > > Nope. > > The behavior of D CHANGES based on the H it attaches to. > The behavior of D simulated by any H that can possibly exist remains the same. The behavior of directly executed D(D) is not the behavior of D simulated by any H. > You are just PROVING that you are LYING about H. > No I am proving that your ADD is worse than you thought. >> IT IS AN ABORT DECIDER THAT GIVES NO ANSWER IT ONLY ABORTS >> IT IS AN ABORT DECIDER THAT GIVES NO ANSWER IT ONLY ABORT > Then why does D use the answer? > > I guess you are just admitting that your setup is incoherent. > 01 void D(ptr x) // ptr is pointer to void function 02 { 03 H(x, x); 04 return; 05 } 06 07 void main() 08 { 09 H(D,D); 10 } > And ALL Deciders give an answer. > If you need to then pretend that H(D,D) returns 1 for abort and 0 for not aborted. Since this value is never used it is irrelevant. > Maybe in your case, there is only one answer, I aborted. > > But then, the mapping it is deciding on must be a trivial mapping, so H > might as well return. > It is not trivial, where the Hell did you get that? It is the same H that we always had with the return values swapped and ignored. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer