Path: ...!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweak.nl!217.73.144.44.MISMATCH!feeder.ecngs.de!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!168.119.53.7.MISMATCH!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Another Halting Problem Question (very difficult) Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 08:31:29 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <1f231ededa977e799945496518d7aa8e2f7efc4a.camel@gmail.com> References: <19b48c13e1abe0c0c68ece8114535d43a771cd3c.camel@gmail.com> <47d52c4babb83d32286f6bf597b415151d3e4fda.camel@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 02:31:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="356615fa2e3e10e4de8b1fb8357c2248"; logging-data="878834"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19C4MvV8x8q1bZYOGYBRJJw" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:PP3iY+g7LrPZPif9iXVD9kBqAOI= In-Reply-To: <47d52c4babb83d32286f6bf597b415151d3e4fda.camel@gmail.com> Bytes: 2465 On Wed, 2024-05-29 at 06:55 +0800, wij wrote: > On Wed, 2024-05-29 at 06:20 +0800, wij wrote: > > On Wed, 2024-05-29 at 05:37 +0800, wij wrote: > > > Everybody knows the Halting Problem is undecidable (liars also know).= But if we > > > restrict the condition a little bit: Does there exists a decision fun= ction h, h > > > determines whether or not an arbitrary function void f() (given as th= e argument > > > of h) terminates or not (h,f=E2=88=88O(2^N)) ? IOW, h(f)=3D=3Dtrue if= f f() terminates. > >=20 > > Sorry, too quick in rephrasing the real problem. I should fix this latt= er. > >=20 >=20 > Correction: > Does there exist a O(2^N) decision function sat, sat terminates whether o= r not > a O(2^N) function bool f() (given as the argument of sat) returns true or= not? > IOW, sat(f)=3D=3Dtrue iff f()=3D=3Dtrue >=20 >=20 Revision: Does there exist a decision function sat that determines whether or not a terminating function bool f() (given as the argument of sat) returns true o= r not? IOW, sat(f)=3D=3Dtrue iff f()=3D=3Dtrue. Is Rice's theorem (or GUR if you like) refuted?