Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jos Boersema Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish Subject: Rambam/Maimonides, traitor to the Torah, deceiver of Israel. Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 18:03:09 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 364 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 20:03:10 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a9cafa79626a83d73ed9d708b00a44e5"; logging-data="3647050"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19uh/qU9FADX/yqKNZomqPT" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:d4eD2HFCBDCcStEZ8+OKKHGps3k= Bytes: 22093 title: Maimonides: The Revered & Controversial Sephardic Rabbi | The Jewish Story | Unpacked link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QDLe_PK7to source: Unpacked Someone (first comment) wrote: @LawofMoses 2 years ago You wouldn't understand it unless you walk with God. Rambam seems to have replaced God in the orthodox eyes? End quote. Reply ... Rambam/Maimonides is guilty over issuing the _heter iska,_ which is arguably not as bad as the traitor Hillel the Elder has done with his _prosbul,_ but of a similar vein and similar destruction of the Torah. There are no Orthodox Jews in the world. They are _all_ reformers, who thought they knew better. If only they at least understood as much as the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, perhaps they would have done some good. But sadly, they do not. I don't need to explain why the prosbul or heter iska are bad. Read them, read the Torah, and it is self explanatory. Rambam is Jewish corruption. They replaced God as the lawmaker, with lawmakers of their own choosing, who serve the rich and greedy, not justice and peace. The result is their never ending exile. I think the exile will not end, until Hillel and Rambam fall, although even that will probably not be enough (the Jubilee on land, or something other of similar severity, needs to be enacted and dutifully followed). It is interesting that on his tomb stone, they make this Rambam close to equal to Moshe Rabbeinu, and they also devalue everyone who came after Moshe Rabbeinu, which includes all the prophets and true loyalists like King David who wrote the Psalms (in which it is said, the righteous do not take interest, iirc). Rambam wasn't even an authenticated prophet, and his innovation over the Torah is fraud (which also means, he can not even become a prophet, under the law of prophets, FWIK). Why do they put this man over all these good people ? Because they serve the rich and greedy, who want to scheme around to increase their money at all cost, and Rambam helps them do it, as did Hillel the Elder, the traitor. The world is lost. The consequences will become extreme. Per curses section in the Torah, the next round will be 7 times worse. The last punishment was the Nazis. Time is up also, the humans have gone insane with their nukes and war lust, their shallowness and their inability to create stability. GAME OVER. How awful, a world of fools with nukes. It cannot be, and it will not be for long. It is extremely unstable and self destructive. P.S. [Usenet] Briefly about why these treasons are bad... The prosbul is so reprehensible, I rather not think about it today, thanks. If you don't see it, you are joking. Heter iska, it is a deceptive method of putting your money into a business, have others work the work, and then you gain riches in return. It is supposedly limited in how much you can get, and this supposedly makes it right, but it doesn't hold up to the Torah standard (Tanach) which says interest on loans is *forbidden*. If you have money with which you can play because you can lend it out, you could have given it in charity, or in easily nullified loans to the poor, thus strengthening the bonds between the people, and also degrading your own excessive wealth, because you may have become greedy and obsessed with wealth over morality. You put the money away in a loan, thus diverting it from its purposes (under the Torah system, which is helping people and of course also helping yourself, but not to become an exploiter of other people). If there had been no standard and all interest on loans was allowed, then you could argue that the heter iska system is a slight improvement, since it limits the profit. However this was not the situation. The starting point is the Torah: no interest at all allowed, between Jewish people. It degrades this standard, and thus it is treason. There are also dangerous mechanisms at play, when you invest in a business for profit. I never saw anyone write about it, but this is my thinking: the investor wants to suck out money, without working in that business. The more the workers are exploited, abused, not given their wages, and the more the costumers are scammed out of their money, the more money the business owner gains, and the more he can share with his parasite: the financier in the back. There is hence a financial self serving interest, to invest in abusive companies. You think this is fantasy ? Because you didn't spend 10 seconds on the problem ? Where does your investment of say 10 000 pieces of gold likely make the best profit, assuming both business types are possible. 1. A nice business, who treats everyone fairly and gives the workers their share of good income. Being nice, the owner is thus fairly humble, and doesn't go home with huge amounts of profit for himself, while the workers have little. 2. Some sort of wicked individual, willing to exploit the workers to the maximum. Every day another trick to not pay them, underpay them, and get rid of people who got sick without paying for them. This owner, if he does his scams and evil well, gets away with a lot of loot from his own company. You could argue: the nice business owner will also nicely share with the financier, while the greedy business owner will also try to scam the financier. While this seems to be a true argument, I don't think it generally works out this way. The financier, especially if investing a lot of money, is the boss behind the boss. Things are a bit merky and individuals may deviate from the norm at times, however if you look at return on investment, then a business which can repress its workforce succesfully the most, is likely the business which is the strongest and most profitable to invest in. The loss of the workers, is the gains of the owners and the financiers. We have seen a lot of suffering in the world in history, thanks to underpaid labor. It might even be the single most important cause of human suffering on Earth (poverty caused by the ownership class). Financiers can get extremely rich on the other hand, which we also see all the time happening in history. The rise of the poor and the rise of the Plutocracy, and all kinds of investment schemes. I think it is not an accident. The investments are profitable where labor gets squeezed, and labor in turn can be squeezed where landlessness is the norm, and thus this financier caste also has an interest in denying people their right to land. With land, labor would have options, they would be free to choose, even begin their own trades. Without land, they can be subjected, there is nowhere else to go. This is yet another nefarious problem, arising from rent seeking on loans. The financier thinks like so ... (or those that do might become the most powerful among them) ... "We need to loot the pockets of the people working for the businesses we invest in, but if we go too far they just retreat to their own land and start on their own. This escape rout costs us a lot, while on the other hand we should own all that land for ourselves, and farm other people like they are our cattle. We are the bosses, and they are the slaves, that is how it should be. They are our cattle, we are their gods. We need to get their land away from them, and then push them into despair, while we give them a pittance at some kind of job, which they will accept because the alternative is to become roaming bandits - whom we will hunt and kill - or just die from hunger and misery - which is fine with us." It is certainly possible that an investment has a good effect in an individual case, and even many individual cases can so be named. The question however is: what does it do over the whole of society, and over long stretches of time, such as centuries, thousands of years. Apples fall down from trees usually, and even if you throw up a few to proof the opposite, it isn't in the main what happens. Things generally fall down to the low point on Earth (since they are heavier than air, and that is just how it works). The heter iska is less easy to see why it is bad, but the prosbul is blisteringly obvious. Everyone knows it is a fraud, yet they go on with it, which makes it an open rebellion. The Rabbis are in open rebellion against the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, causing the exile, and seemingly not even caring about it. I guess they got paid by someone, or are too cowardly to go against the majority and their peers. If you are a good person, you want to help others. You can make an investment into a business, and do it without interest, without profit games (without heter iska). Then you have the benefit of the investment, the business can start up quicker etc, and avoid the downsides of a mechanism of parasitic money making. You then only have chances of loosing money as an investor, and that is not appealing for the greed motive, and thus those obsessed with money and greed will simply avoid investment entirely. Their money is bigger when they do not invest under rules of no interest on loans. They might hide the money, or buy things for themselves from it even if they need nothing, etc. At least they won't invest it in abusive companies. I think we see in the world, that there can be successes of moral businesses, but on the whole it is the evil ones who in the end seem to centralize more and more companies and land under their power. The Torah has laws against it, and this may be for good reason, even if we don't entirely understand it. Even if we don't understand, under the rules of the Torah, it is still law anyway. This makes Rambam a traitor with his heter iska, and also Hillel the Elder is a traitor with his prosbul. Hillel the Elder has overthrown HKB'H as the law maker, and the Rabbis have never wanted to correct this. Hence the exile has to go on, until the Rabbis clean up their own behavior, or are themselves overthrown (as Isaiah seems perhaps to say will happen, when the teachers will be cut away and may no longer teach Israel). It may seem like details, or a boring and speculative topic, but entire civilizations get born and die because of these effects. These are not side issues, especially not land ownership. We see today how the world drowns in crazy debt schemes (National debt pyramid scam, paying debt with debt), which will likely cause a currency destabilization because the insane politicians and their evil ruling class decided to start printing money to pay the impossible debt, which should normally lead to hyper inflation. Hyper inflation itself is a severe shock to everyone, ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========