Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: immibis Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFZlcmlmaWVkIGZhY3QgdGhhdCDEpC5IIOKfqMSk4p+pIOKfqMSk?= =?UTF-8?B?4p+pIGFuZCBIIOKfqMSk4p+pIOKfqMSk4p+pIGhhdmUgZGlmZmVyZW50IGJlaGF2?= =?UTF-8?Q?ior_ZFC?= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 20:09:11 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:09:11 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="845e6215760786f6cdaa9dc04d48a147"; logging-data="3279136"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19zeqNGbznxnWGpLzyXC5KH" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:V/TnS1tI1D0waL8vLtucDhbBfz4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3158 On 10/03/24 19:29, olcott wrote: > On 3/10/2024 1:07 PM, immibis wrote: >> On 10/03/24 17:52, olcott wrote: >>> Unlike anything else that anyone else has ever done both H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ >>> and Ĥ.H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly determine that they must abort their own >>> simulation to prevent their own infinite execution. >> >> Wrong, they incorrectly determine this because they determine this >> even though it is not true. > > *Here is proof that what you said is counterfactual* > H.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* H.qy // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ halts > H.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* H.qn // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ does not halt > > Execution trace of Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ > (a) Ĥ.q0 The input ⟨Ĥ⟩ is copied then transitions to Ĥ.H > (b) Ĥ.H applied ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ (input and copy) simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ > (c) which begins at its own simulated ⟨Ĥ.q0⟩ to repeat the process > > *Since I proved that you are wrong about many times you must be a Troll* > *Since I proved that you are wrong about many times you must be a Troll* > *Since I proved that you are wrong about many times you must be a Troll* > where is the proof? I see a bunch of bullshit, but no proof.