Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 07:17:20 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 14:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="42a0fc3cdc0841239d3b757772d0e924"; logging-data="577784"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/tar+v21FTv+a/zZGRS7ZD" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zo48hHPYTCNQzmk7ophnbQ9bUbo= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3213 On 5/2/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/2/24 2:48 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/2/2024 6:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 5/2/24 12:24 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly stop running unless >>>>>> aborted by H does specify non-terminating behavior to H. When >>>>>> H aborts this simulation that does not count as D halting. >>>>> >>>>> Which is just meaningless gobbledygook by your definitions. >>>>> >>>>> It means that >>>>> >>>>> int H(ptr m, ptr d) { >>>>>     return 0; >>>>> } >>>>> >>>> >>>> Your H is not simulating D at all thus not >>>> "Every D simulated by H" quoted above >>> >>> >>> Yes it is, it is just aborting the simulation before it started. >>> >> >> "Interpreting" {D is simulated by H} as {D is NEVER simulated by H} >> does not seem honest to me. >> > > But ALL steps simulated by H were correctly simulated, weren't they? > YOU DIDN'T MEET THIS SPEC AND YOU KNOW IT AND WEASEL WORDS WILL NOT HELP (a) It is a verified fact that D(D) simulated by H cannot possibly reach past line 03 of D(D) simulated by H whether H aborts its simulation or not. > > Just shows you don't understand the essential nature of the problem, > perhaps taken slightly too extreme. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer