Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.swapon.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: Can someone please verify the execution trace of this? Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 14:38:38 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 21:38:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="629f9cefad5d4023792ce8f8ed8d9594"; logging-data="169004"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX182G7bTM5c2+p4dj2VkzCph" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:P7LNS3eEpLM5lWdL14OLTy12BlY= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4475 On 5/20/2024 2:36 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 5/20/2024 12:34 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/20/2024 2:30 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>> On 5/20/2024 12:28 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/20/2024 2:23 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>>>> On 5/20/2024 12:15 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 5/20/2024 1:35 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 10:20 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 12:15 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>>>> Am 20.05.2024 um 18:01 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/2024 10:16 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Am 20.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is a simple question about the behavior of C functions. >>>>>>>>>>>> This group's purpose is the C/C++ language. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your question is generic to most languages and you're >>>>>>>>>>> not asking how to do that in C or how to improve that. >>>>>>>>>>> And you're asking the same thing for years. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes I am very persistent. I keep asking until >>>>>>>>>> I get an answer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After some time you should recognize you're doing circles. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am asking a straight forward question that people >>>>>>>> keep ignoring it has nothing to do will my circles: >>>>>>>> Ask until answered stops when answered. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Think of your halt decider running a black box program. >>>>>> >>>>>> *It is not even a halt decider in this post it is merely a simulator* >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> Humm... So, what is your main point? You cannot decide if a program >>>>> will halt, _unless_ you code the test program? >>>>> >>>> >>>> My ONLY point has been to put the people that have continued to >>>> lie about the behavior of D correctly simulated by H in their place. >>>> Several people have consistently lied about this for two years. >>>> >>> >>> My only point is that one cannot 100% totally decide if a black box >>> program will halt, or not. >> >> I am not asking about any black box program. >> D is fully specified and the only relevant detail about H is that >> >> it correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D thus including 0 to ∞ >> recursive simulations of H simulating itself simulating D. > > How do you simulate to infinity, and perhaps beyond? > The Turing machine isomorphism of the H/D pair is off-topic for this group. >> >> *From this we can conclude* >> *D correctly simulated by H never reaches its own line 06 and halts* >> >> >> > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer