Path: local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 17:31:54 +0000 Subject: Re: Can Jews be Nazis? Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling,rec.arts.tv,uk.comp.sys.mac,edm.general,sci.electronics.design References: <664b6ed6$0$981$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <8c1n4jlaremj3e14m06inr24j82v6evnnf@4ax.com> From: % Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 10:31:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8c1n4jlaremj3e14m06inr24j82v6evnnf@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 240520-6, 2024-5-20), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: <3J6dnRuCbKOXFNb7nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com> Lines: 91 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-IsVv6j5Z7GptfhZlWOl4KpQbvymsF9VeCYMpiSR4JGUNLxcZLYoI0PccWkT4kVDmmZvP6nLLnW+AzAn!sHfRQTAKnqp3l1djVJV8wBnissxFnqjK2VTjayiufjkBEbD6K+4bElobuavAGWlPi5soYi3ruILp X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5975 john larkin wrote: > On Mon, 20 May 2024 09:33:29 -0700, % wrote: > >> john larkin wrote: >>> On Mon, 20 May 2024 11:40:06 -0400, bitrex wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/20/2024 9:57 AM, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 19 May 24 23:57:56 UTC, NefeshBarYochai >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> BY STEPHEN F. EISENMAN >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For many people, the question is inflammatory. The crimes of the >>>>>> German Nazis were of such magnitude that comparison with any other >>>>>> historical violence is invidious. The genocide of the Jews was >>>>>> deliberate and methodical and intended to eliminate every last one. >>>>>> The goal was the same with the Romani and Sinti people. By comparison, >>>>>> the Israelis – currently accused of genocide — are rank amateurs. They >>>>>> have so far killed some 35,000 Palestinians in Gaza out of a >>>>>> population of 2.3 million. >>>>>> >>>>>> But the question, “Can Jews be Nazis?” is nevertheless important for >>>>>> challenging claims of moral inoculation by virtue of the Jewish >>>>>> experience of the Holocaust. If Israeli leaders are indeed committing >>>>>> a genocide in Gaza – as seems the case — they inhabit the same moral >>>>>> universe as the German Nazis, regardless of the suffering of past >>>>>> generations. In addition to the 35,000 killed, the war in Gaza has >>>>>> injured another 75,000 and displaced 2 million. Most of the victims >>>>>> are women and children – how can their deaths be justified? Israeli >>>>>> cabinet ministers, Knesset members, military personnel, and police >>>>>> have all freely spoken of their wish to force Palestinians into Egypt, >>>>>> establish Jewish-only settlements in Gaza, and even use an atomic bomb >>>>>> to kill everyone in the Gaza strip. (U.S. senator Lindsay Graham >>>>>> recently also suggested using a nuclear weapon against Gaza.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At the end of WWII, German cities and industry were heaps of burnt >>>>> rubble, much worse than Gaza today. Half of Germany was occupied by >>>>> the USSR. About 6 million jews had been starved and gassed to death by >>>>> the nazis. About 100 million people died in WWII. >>>>> >>>>> Israel wants to survive and is arguably doing what it must do to >>>>> survive. The bad guys aren't Israel, they are Iran and Hamas and the >>>>> many other savages, kidnappers, bombers, and rapists. >>>>> >>>>> The extreme islamists want to kill all the jews and take their land. >>>>> The citizens of Israel of course object. Thay have atom bombs and >>>>> havedn't used them, even after the drons attacks from Iran. >>>> >>>> If heavily nuclear-armed nations still routinely feel in great danger of >>>> their sovereignty and land being taken then it's hard to know what else >>>> to do for them that could make them feel any safer. >>>> >>>>> Long-term, Israel can't allow Iran to have nukes, because they know >>>>> that Iran will use them on Israeli cities and welcome retaliation as >>>>> blessed martyrdom. >>> >>> Exacrly. What's scary is that the extremist islamists are eager for >>> martyrdom, especially somebody else's. The lunatics in Iran may think >>> that a nuclear exchange is worth it if it kills a lot of jews. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Iran has probably noticed that no nuclear-armed state has ever been >>>> conquered, it's unclear if Israel knows. >>>> >>> >>> >>> The Iranian leadership no doubt has nuke-proof tunnel complexes, built >>> at great expense. Strange how some people like to live underground. >>> Sounds nasty and stinky to me. >>> >>> >>> >> anything to bugger the americans , >> who want to lay claim to all the land > > The US has not forcibly acquired land since the war with Mexico. The > central USA and Alaska were purchased. The people of Alaska and Hawaii > voted to become states. The people of Puerto Rico can vote to be a > state or to be an independent country. > > Some countries and their kings or dictators, throughout history, have > wanted to acquire territory, even when they are busy trashing their > own conntries. That is really weird and it's still happening now. > Stupid tribalism. > sure they have , no matter who goes to war they are there , no one asks them to stick their nose it but oh how they do , then they send in the canadian peace keepers