Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Malcolm McLean Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: xxd -i vs DIY Was: C23 thoughts and opinions Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 02:31:42 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <00297443-2fee-48d4-81a0-9ff6ae6481e4@gmail.com> <87msoh5uh6.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87y18047jk.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87msoe1xxo.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87ikz11osy.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <20240528144118.00002012@yahoo.com> <20240528185624.00002494@yahoo.com> <20240528232315.00006a58@yahoo.com> <20240529130818.000070bf@yahoo.com> <20240529225905.000041ec@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 03:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4d25915d0ee5a2e80827fe2a35c8d5e7"; logging-data="1462102"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ml5hWETCSa6pER0N2KIJEDqOjrHYxvEc=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:bOuo8TnF2Ju4bhyiJcMKifdskhY= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4344 On 30/05/2024 01:18, bart wrote: > On 29/05/2024 22:46, Malcolm McLean wrote: >> On 29/05/2024 20:59, Michael S wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 14:07:00 -0400 >>> James Kuyper wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/05/2024 18:27, Malcolm McLean wrote: >>>>> On 29/05/2024 13:10, David Brown wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It wasn't the cheapest available, and 64 GB memory (and 4 TB SSD) >>>>>> don't come free.  (And I buy these bare-bones.  Machines with >>>>>> Windows "pre-installed" are often cheaper because they are >>>>>> sponsored by the junk-ware and ad-ware forced on unsuspecting >>>>>> users.) >>>>> Yes, I got a job at Cambridge which didn't work out (Cantab dons, >>>>> much less tolerant people then their counterparts at another >>>>> university, but that's another story). And I was given a brand new >>>>> Windows machine, and told that we had to use Linux. So I installed >>>>> a Linux version which ran on top of Windows. No good, I was told. >>>>> Might cause problems with that "interesting" set up. ... >>>> >>>> They're quite right in that regard, as I can testify from personal >>>> experience. >>>> >>>>> ... So I had to scrub a brand new version of Windows. >>>>> It felt like the most extravagant waste. >>>> >>>> Keep in mind that, as David pointed out, the "waste" was probably >>>> negative. You got a better price on the machine than you would have >>>> otherwise, and erasing that malware gave you more space to put useful >>>> stuff on your machine. >>> >>> May be, for laptps that is true. But for mini-PCs it is very different. >>> Windows is surprisingly expensive in this case. OEM license is sold for >>> ~75% of retail license price. >>> >> Exactly. Windows costs a fortune. > > Actually I've no idea how much it costs. > > But whatever it is, I'm not adverse to the idea of having to pay for > software. After all you have to pay for hardware, and for computers, I > would happily pay extra to have something that works out of the box. > >> And Microsoft spend billions developing it. >> >> Baby X can't compete. > > Huh? I didn't know Baby X was an OS! > > Its an API. You call the Baby X API to get buttons and menus and other graphical elements, instead of Windows APIs. And it has just got its own file system. -- Check out Basic Algorithms and my other books: https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/bgy1mm