Path: ...!news.misty.com!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Dressing RG6 Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 23:24:28 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <20240514b@crcomp.net> <66h74j1vfmbjvvl98jk1k017pimtinv2l5@4ax.com> <20240514d@crcomp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 23:22:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="326f6474fcc0b730bdcf516ef762bf66"; logging-data="1169403"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+AlMEX0aq7PlBzRjKHqQJC" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:K6t4Cx/Y2halVPFDVvraKUOA4cA= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3688 On 5/15/24 17:06, John Larkin wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2024 07:27:07 -0700, John Larkin > wrote: > >> On Wed, 15 May 2024 11:03:22 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >> wrote: >> >>> On 5/15/24 01:33, Don wrote: >>>> Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>>> Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> Don wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> The parasitic capacitance created between coax and its metal armor can >>>>>>>> open a Pandora's box of potential problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Capacitance between the coax outer and the copper pipe? Proper coax >>>>>>> shouldn't have any external field. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the whole system is really coaxial, that’s true. Leaky shields, ground >>>>>> loops, and so on, will modify that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Depending on the application, you may or may not care. >>>>>> If the whole system is really coaxial, that’s true. Leaky shields, ground >>>>>> loops, and so on, will modify that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Depending on the application, you may or may not care. >>>>> >>>>> I've been putting coax inside copper tubes or braids to measure >>>>> and/or reduce the transfer impedance (leakage). I did that to >>>>> measure small signals in a particle accelerator, which typically >>>>> has kicker magnets and RF cavities with kA currents and kV >>>>> voltages nearby. >>>>> >>>>> A colleague developed a special low transfer impedance coax >>>>> cable for this sort of application. It had two screens with >>>>> intermediate magnetic shielding. It was unpleasant to work >>>>> with, because part of the magnetic shielding was a steel >>>>> spiral foil tape that was razor sharp. But it worked really >>>>> well. >>>> >>>> Empirical observation always trumps theory for me. Did you ground [1] >>>> the copper tubes or braids? >>> >>> Both ends were connected to the connector shields. The point of >>> the exercise was to reduce transfer impedance, which at low >>> frequency (<1MHz) is simply proportional to screen resistance. >>> >>> Jeroen Belleman >> >> Two parallel coaxes can make an attenuator. >> >> What was the coupled frequency response like? > > Just say your data below. > I didn't? Jeroen Belleman