Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Frank Slootweg Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: is my phone ON or is it OFF? Date: 3 May 2024 14:19:54 GMT Organization: NOYB Lines: 108 Message-ID: References: <_WqdnbuEleN1r6n7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> X-Trace: individual.net l6GEWNEhGMHLQhMUNFOGBQ3RVMueKzf1/dMx5HDIJgDSPC7x2s X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:mrM32TF8/IWgNuHPD6rkM4IuAwU= sha256:ByOVTKNM1/amqcSobeYUIjf7EwcBZ5hGKfl8VPa+6uE= User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (CYGWIN_NT-10.0-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2 Bytes: 6901 bad?sector wrote: > On 5/2/24 11:22, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > bad?sector wrote: > >> On 5/1/24 06:08, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >>> bad?sector wrote: > >>>> On 4/30/24 10:01, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> > >>>>> My take is that 'bad sector' just wants to ramble/vent. > >>>> > >>>> Not really, what I want is CHANGE. The BlackBerry had not only real > >>>> buttons but chicklety ones extremely well engineeered for that positive > >>>> feel. My son had one, they *were disappeared* just when I was getting > >>>> set to buy one! I had to do with a basic cell-phone with no texto even. > >>>> I did what I needed done but a while ago it packed up so I wanted to buy > >>>> another one like it but with texto capability. My provider said > >>>> "FORGET-IT, we've been keeping your special low-end account for as long > >>>> as you phone would last, now it's NOT renewable anymore". So I went and > >>>> bought this android zFlip5 but it's a giga-letdown for too many reasons > >>>> to mention and I think I will get rid of it. I can live without a > >>>> cell-phone, my take is that demand will eventually force design > >>>> improvements as well as open source non-proprietary OS'es developed by > >>>> units walking on two legs. Meanwhile I call a spade a spade and I will > >>>> let no apple, faecesbook or goongle steer my life, they already have way > >>>> too much influence on my bowel movements. > >>>> > >>>> tinyurl.com/3s7bkhw7 > >>> > >>> As I've said to others with similar needs/wants/complaints: > >>> > >>> Buy a 'dumb'/'feature' phone and be done with it. They still have real > >>> keys/ buttons. have SMS capability and can work on modern 4G (and of > >>> course 2G and 3G) networks. Problem solved. > >> > >> Other than satellite, where I live there are only 3 providers one of > >> which (Bell) doesn't even have my physical address in their data base so > >> when I call them they say "you do not exist". The other big one (Telus) > >> is the only major that is available on paper but with only 4g service > >> and so poor as to make the entire idea of a cell-phone laughable, > >> tethering is a joke that NEVER works. The third one is a discount arm of > >> Telus selling their crap for a few pennies less. I'm only saying this to > >> put things into perspective. Telus as I said will NOT renew my old > >> plane-jane service for a plain-jane flip phone fare, I have no choice > >> but to go with the minimal but hefty price of full 5g and tethering > >> package very little of which could I use with ANY phone and almost none > >> of which with less. Bottom line, if I have service at all be that > >> minimally high-end on paper, I might as well have the phone for it. > > > > If you tell the audience where (about) you live, they probably can > > give you some sensible and reasonable cost alternative providers, > > possibly/probably 'even' some prepaid ones. > > > > Meanwhile we in the read world - meaning non-US or maybe non-NA - have > > no such problems. How I use or do not use my phone is no-one's business, > > I only pay my provider(s) for what I need/use. End of story. > > I live in eastern Quebec and our two levels of government can't even > spell "utility price controls" the way they do in Europe where unlimited > 4g plans are about 20 euros from what I hear. Why do you need an unlimited plan if you only want/need cals and SMS? > But cost is NOT the issue > nor the topic which is "is my smartphone ON or OFF including on-hook > off" conditions which IMO are not that obvious all the time nor is their > setting as simple and intuitive as it could and should be. > > When designing something as important as a communications tool or its OS > for the masses you sit down with a number of people who have never used > a cell phone and give them one asking 'is that phone ON or is it OFF > right now as it is'? In the event of no answer or a wrong answer it's > back to the drawing board UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT! Ditto for putting > on-hook or turning off without reading any manual in which context I > also want to see removable batteries. As I mentioned - and neither you nor anybody else debunked -, with smartphones, 'dumb' phones and even 'cordless' ('landline') phones, there *is* no on-hook/off-hook problem scenario. The on/off demand is unsolvable (without instructions/a_manual), i.e. unrealistic. It's unsolvable for many/most devices, so why would a mobile phone be different? As to (easily, user) removable batteries: Don't hold your breath. Bottom line: [Rewind/repeat:] > >>>>> My take is that 'bad sector' just wants to ramble/vent. [Resume:] > I'm not looking to use providers whose head offices do not fall under > Canadian law. As I said there are 3 domestic ones here at least > theoretically available to me, all of them suck and a 4th one which I > haven't named gets such bad reports that I wouldn't even use them if > THEY paid ME. There are some Canadian posters in the smartphone groups who could probably help with finding a Canadian provider, probably a MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator), but as far as I know, they're iPhone users, so not likely to follow this group, unless crossposted. > >> Problem 'solving' would BEGIN with stomping on the manufacturers' and > >> providers' balls with both feet and forcing them into line or lose their > >> market or licenses. Unfortunately our barbie-boy leader always sits with > >> his legs crossed.