Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Biden Says the Quiet Part Out Loud Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 17:26:44 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 83 Message-ID: References: Injection-Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 19:26:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b4631296918d98e7945282e7a7ea7c38"; logging-data="2424719"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+yD7pD6jHrqZSQUa3WHbAn3/2OCZXCjaA=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:cSlJ1P8NoP/EwQVextOG7Z2rsL4= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 5267 The Horny Goat wrote: >Thu, 16 May 2024 15:37:28 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote: Let's properly cite the article plagarized by Ubi the shithead, shall we? Republican-Led State Finds Over 100 Non-Citizens On Voter Rolls, Requests Citizenship Data From Biden Admin By Zach Jewell The Daily Wire May 15, 2024 https://www.dailywire.com/news/republican-led-state-finds-over-100-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-requests-citizenship-data-from-biden-admin "Over 100 Non-Citizens On Voter Rolls"; this would be statewide in all of Ohio. No one is trying to steal an election. He requested the Social Security database. The asshole ALREADY has access to it under existing federal law, so it sure sounds like he was failing to check applications using SSNs (last four digits) against the database. The error is in his own procedures. In my state, there is a state-wide vital statistics register. Replacement birth certificates are issued through the state register, no longer the local board of health or county clerk. This means it's possible to check the birth certificate durimg the voter registration process of someone born in the state later registering to vote in the state. That's proof of citizenship. >>Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) told The Daily Mail, "Without the verification measures >>in the SAVE Act, we're basically asking people who are already breaking the >>law by coming to the US illegally to abide by the honor system. No way; >>American elections should belong to American citizens, period." >Why is it unjust to insist on ID when one is registering to vote? You failed to quote the portion of the article you are commenting on. >>Last week, House Republicans introduced the Safeguard American Voter >>Eligibility (SAVE) Act, which would require documentation proving U.S. >>citizenship from anyone who registers to vote in U.S. elections. >>Currently, under the 1993 Voter Registration Act, people are only >>required to fill out a form swearing they are U.S. citizens and are >>not required to provide documentation, USA Today reported. The name of the act is wrong. It's the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (Motor Voter). I just explained all this earlier in the thread. When registering to vote, yes, the applicant swears that he is a citizen. This was true under state law prior to this federal legislation. In my state prior to implementation of this federal law, the applicant was registered by a deputy of the county clerk (or township clerk or city clerk) or deputy registrar. The deputy registrar was a citizen who was part of a group that was a civic organization that registered voters. The deputy would fill out the form and register the voter. He was obligated to return the form to the county clerk within a couple of days, otherwise the voter was registered but his paperwork wouldn't end up with election judges at the polling place. Once states implemented Motor Voter procedures, it all changed. The voter filled out the application himself but wasn't registered to vote. This was handled in back office by the county clerk who was supposed to find the applicant in either the driver's license database or the Social Security database. There is no honor system. The person isn't registered under Motor Voter if he isn't found in one of the two databases. Both driver's license and Social Security require submission of the birth certificate, which proves citizenship. >When I voted in the last election (remember I'm a Canadian) I brought >my voter card showing where to vote + my drivers' licence. I saw other >people with various other kinds of ID - they were flexible on what ID >they would accept but they DID require some sort of ID. You didn't bring your birth certificate, so everybody should be screaming and yelling that your citizenship claim was unverified. >After I voted I asked how many people were registered to vote from my >address - then explained that my wife had passed away since the last >election... (they seemed unhelpful until I mentioned that and said >"are there two or three? there WERE three in the last election, now >only two" and they did say two so I thanked them and went on my way.