Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:34:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Inconvenient lefties Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv References: <17c0c13d249c8eca$72548$1768716$4ad50060@news.newsdemon.com> <17c0ceb693286352$341$3121036$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com> <2MucnTxnR-96cJn7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <17c0fc54e55b8534$37200$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com> <17c109af9b28102b$53484$2218499$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US From: moviePig In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 77 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.hasname.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 22:34:53 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 4126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17c10e83f220909a$46168$3081049$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 4528 On 3/28/2024 6:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > moviePig wrote: >> On 3/28/2024 2:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article >>> <17c0fc54e55b8534$37200$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com>, >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 3/28/2024 12:11 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> On Mar 27, 2024 at 8:05:40 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/27/2024 7:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article >>>>>>> <17c0c13d249c8eca$72548$1768716$4ad50060@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Last Friday, a Chicago alderman (there are cockroaches with higher >>>>>>>>>>>> social standing) gave a speech at a rally outside city hall >>>>>>>>>>>> condemning Biden and support for Israel in the war against Hamas. >>>>>>>>>>>> A veteran had burned a special American flag >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that burning the American flag is protected speech, but >>>>>>>>>>> if you burn an Alphabet Mafia rainbow flag, you can get arrested for >>>>>>>>>>> a hate crime? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You mean a flag that does not belong to you, not your own flag. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, I mean any rainbow flag. If you go buy one yourself, then take it >>>>>>>>> to an anti-troon protest and burn it, it's a hate crime. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if you buy an American flag and take it to an Antifa riot and >>>>>>>>> burn it, protected speech. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The former action is one of hate, the latter is one of protest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What if the former is one of protest, too? >>>>>> >>>>>> That'd be for a judge to be convinced of >>>>> >>>>> Since when do I have to convince the government of the reasons for my >>>>> speech to keep from being jailed for it? >>>>> >>>>> "Congress shall make no law..." >>>>> >>>>>> ...who might ask, e.g., whether the defendant *knew* how the act would >>>>>> be perceived. >>>>> >>>>> My right to free speech isn't dependent on how someone else-- with an >>>>> agenda of their own-- might perceive my words. >>>> >>>> Are you disputing laws against hate speech or how they're enforced? >>> >>> Both. Hate speech is protected speech per the Supreme Court and any laws >>> to the contrary are unconstitutional. >>> >>> National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 >>> (1977) >> >> One cold night, a homeless man builds and lights a bonfire that destroys >> a family's manicured lawn. Elsewhere, a well-known redneck erects and >> burns a wooden cross, destroying the lawn of a black family. >> >> To your mind, are these infractions fully equivalent to each other? > > Those are crimes, not speech. You didn't ask about hate crimes. You asked > about hate speech. I'd have thought the two crimes to be materially identical, with the important difference being that one clearly contains "hate speech".