Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rhino Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: [OT] The mass graves that never were? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 12:05:17 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 70 Message-ID: <20240601120517.00001de5@example.com> References: <20240530193243.00006135@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2024 18:05:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c2462c090fdfea47b468fbab4d724670"; logging-data="2997590"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+TY3Js5Idd86gWzolwjgLLZmafJ++D+o8=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:iPTMfxAtnEr+M2Tx74VkQIYEXQY= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.2.0 (GTK 3.24.41; x86_64-w64-mingw32) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240601-2, 6/1/2024), Outbound message Bytes: 4601 On Fri, 31 May 2024 23:31:24 -0700 The Horny Goat wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2024 19:32:43 -0400, Rhino > wrote: > > >One final thought. Given the massive amounts of money that has been > >spent and the paltry amount of insight gained from this expenditure, > >a reasonable person might wonder who benefited from these claims in > >the first place? > > Obviously the groups that have benefitted have been the aboriginal > groups. A prime example are the "acknowledgements" you hear everywhere > which implicitly recognize aboriginal claims that are by no means > established much less valid. I despise those land acknowledgements. I participated in an online health seminar last year via Zoom, had serious difficulties getting connected and finally arrived about two minutes late for the start of the meeting - and had to sit through a land acknowledgement. It kept me from missing any of the useful content of the meeting but it irked me to have to listen to it especially given that WE WERE ONLINE, not standing on anyone's "sacred ground". > > Similarly, any time there is a discussion of disposition of public > land there has become an expectation that aboriginal groups will be > involved in the discussion - there's currently such a discussion going > on concerning a large park on the west coast of southern Vancouver > Island. I guess I can sort of see a role for indigenous participation if the ownership of the land is contested but as far as I know, the land in this city is NOT claimed by the Indians. > On top of that you have demands - some of which have been > granted - for closure of public parks for 4-6 weeks at a time for > native ceremonies to be held where if you're not native you are barred > from the park. > That's just wrong. If it's owned by the government, it's flat-out racist to deny non-indigenous people access to it. EVER. And if it's indigenous land, then they control it ALL THE TIME, not just 4 to 6 weeks of the time. That proposal is just a way to give them full ownership by stealth. > Sorry - but I just don't buy it. The whole land claims thing is the can of worms that nobody will open, at least in the southern part of the country. (If I recall correctly, the Delgamuk (sp?) Decision did settle some claims, in the favour of the indigenous, back in the 70s but I believe it was all in the Far North.) It's a matter that the courts COULD resolve, for once and for all, but neither side seems eager to press for a court decision by filing lawsuits. Not that I'd want them to under the current prime minister! I'm sure his "progressive" running buddies and their "activist" judges would LOVE nothing better than to give all the land back to the Indians and Innuit! What an orgy of virtue-signalling there would be from the Liberals if that happened!!! Of course the next day, when reality set in, it would become obvious that the notion of deporting all the non-indigenous people and taking away the land that they paid mortgages on for generations or inherited was a non-starter and would utterly gut this country. I imagine the indigenous people would realize how catastrophic this all was for them very quickly too as all that government money would dry up since there'd be no one left to tax and almost no one left to govern since all the non-indigenous people would be gone. -- Rhino