Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Distorted Sine Wave Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 23:10:56 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 23:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5694822d155eb702422336867ef7d576"; logging-data="1375748"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+d9lFcfeI6ooCJFhfbJFhX" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:E9Vd5fUnBfoD4VcAejZBrqIhsU0= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2729 On 5/29/24 22:49, Cursitor Doom wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:42:13 -0700, john larkin wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 May 2024 21:43:54 +0200, Arie de Muijnck >> wrote: >> >>> On 2024-05-29 19:07, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>>> Gentlemen, >>>> >>>> Whilst fault-finding on my HP 8566B spectrum analyzer, I've found the >>>> 10Mhz reference oscillator is generating an 'unsatisfactory waveform' >>>> which may be causing the device to be unable to lock it's main PLL. >>>> I've come across this waveshape before, but mostly with oscillators I >>>> was building and in the process of trying to iron out the wrinkles of >>>> and certainly NOT a critical reference oscillator from a respected >>>> manufacturer. Can anyone tell what's most likely going on here? >>>> >>>> https://disk.yandex.com/i/z6fYbeVfPRK7aA >>> >>> >>> Looks like reflections in the cable. Try the 50 Ohm termination. >>> >>> Arie >> >> If the drive is a sine wave, a cable can't generate that 2nd harmonic. > > I don't understand how a reflection can account for it either. THe cable's > only 4' long! However, with the 50 ohm input enabled, the 2nd harmonic > disappears. It's just one of those inexplicable mysteries that no one > knows the answer to. :) If this oscillator is made to drive 50 Ohms and you don't provide that, internal buffer stages may saturate or do other weird things. If it works OK *with* the 50 Ohm load, then your problem is solved, no? Jeroen Belleman