Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 22:36:40 +0000 From: Joe Gwinn Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: smart people doing stupid things Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 18:36:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-7c59I7Xx7PnPgnmP6oXfpxRCJnmmqBUsgfEdGCcn3KrRhjY9LUhwZaS/k/CqhP8y+azq+89EO+QOruO!l/FiMitg/T9rlR+wpoLR+bDSe5ieFWHj/+TlADpAaKjPYR8xALm9RnllgdkegWvJdu3Ycnc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3207 On Fri, 17 May 2024 14:08:34 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >On Fri, 17 May 2024 16:55:57 -0400, Joe Gwinn >wrote: > >>On Fri, 17 May 2024 13:14:30 -0700, John Larkin >> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 17 May 2024 15:36:55 -0400 (EDT), Martin Rid >>> wrote: >>> >>>>John Larkin Wrote in >>>> message:r >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Peima-Uw7wSee graph at 9:50 in.I see this a lot, engineers wanting to do complex stuff because it'samusing to them, when simple common-sense things would work and bedone. >>>> >>>>My current project requires iec62304 and it is amusing . >>>> >>>>Cheers >>> >>>Yikes. What does it cost to buy the standard? Does it reference other >>>standards? >> >>It's 345 Swiss franks (USD 380). Probably cites many things, so you >>may need a bunch of these expensive standards. >> >>It documents the now obsolete waterfall model of software development, >>at great length, for medical devices. >> >>. >> >>I've had to follow this approach (but not this standard), and it >>didn't go well, because it didn't deal with practical constraints at >>all. The electronic-design parallel would be a process that requires >>that a transistor with very specific properties exist and be >>available. But in the real world, we have to use the transistors that >>are available, even if they are not perfect - make what you want from >>what you can get. >> >>The solution was to design from the middle out, and when it all >>settled down, document as if it were developed from the top down. >> >>Joe Gwinn > >That's the Microsoft Project Effect: the more tasks you define in a >project, the longer it takes. Can this be blamed on MS alone? Doesn't "more tasks" mean "larger scope"? My plumber certainly thinks so. Joe Gwinn