Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: KevinJ93 Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Solar panels Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 12:56:32 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 21:56:33 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4d1e180070ebbe3a1ed815febb79525e"; logging-data="2500138"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19l8da94U+Vl6yL+QbPwCEp" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:OhRrfqjQU0Z5ol451uz0f5zIJow= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3684 On 5/30/24 10:00 PM, Don Y wrote: > My understanding is that solar panels are typically series wired > as many as 10 high -- 500VDC into inverter. The maximum voltage is usually limited by inverters available and various electrical codes. As you say around 500V is common. Note that the voltage increases as the temperature reduces so strong sunlight in the winter can give much higher voltages than on a hot summer day. > But, the individual wafers (on a panel) are probably wired in a > series-parallel configuration with a nominal 48VDC output. Not usually true - I don't know of any panels where there is a series-parallel configuration. As wafer sizes increase the panel current increases. It is common for the panel to be divided electrically into three series sections with a reverse diode across each so that if one section is shaded or damaged the panel will still give output at reduced voltage and the MPPT controller will adapt. > To increase the ampacity from an array of such panels, I assume > simply wiring in parallel would not be as effective as installing > an MPPT controller on each and then combining to a 48VDC output? Wiring panels in parallel would require heavier gauge wiring - it is usually more cost effective to go with a higher voltage. > I.e., absorbing the cost of the conversion inefficiency in return > for being able to eek a bit of extra power out of an underperforming > panel? Residential installations commonly use micro-inverters with one per panel. This minimizes issues with individual panels being shaded or being placed on different facets of a roof. Having each panel dealt with separately also avoids a problem with having high voltages on the roof where it could endanger emergency personnel in the case of fire. Electrical code in the US requires that where panels are placed on a residence that there be no more than 80V DC present when disabled. Micro-inverters usually have a anti-islanding protection so that when the grid is not-present they stop producing leaving the roof safe. In the case of DC systems this may require rapid-shutdown mid-circuit interrupters to meet these requirement. Commercial solar farms don't have to meet these rules so they can go to higher voltages and avoid the expense of additional interrupters. > > And, that this would be preferable to stacking them and then > down-regulating to 48VDC? > Why the conversion to 48V? Residential applications usually convert to direct to 240V AC. Even batteries for residential are commonly AC-in/AC-out with their own bidirectional inverters. (eg Tesla Powerwall and Enphase) kw