Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:42:55 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: ? ? ? Content-Language: pl Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <17ba17198d38202d$39429$138080$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65E8186D.2220@ix.netcom.com> <65E81BB3.3B9B@ix.netcom.com> <65E81EFB.3C55@ix.netcom.com> <17ba368e6628ddbc$38447$141478$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17ba8285aef2897a$523$155296$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> From: Maciej Wozniak In-Reply-To: <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 69 Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.eu1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 20:42:54 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 3542 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 3961 W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: > Maciej Wozniak wrote: >> >> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: >>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: >>>> >>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects >>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to >>>>>>> fullfil. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of >>>>>>> time') >>>>>> >>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". >>>>>> How does it use it? >>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone >>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in >>>>> spacetime). >>>>> >>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms. >>>>> >>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a >>>> >>>> >>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? >>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? >>> ?? >>> >>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. >> >> So, who, or what, can use time to model? >> >>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or >>>> are they something else? >>> >>> Time zones are something else. >> >> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? >> Are they times or are they something else? > > > Time zones are just...shadows. Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they times? > The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. > > Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? > > > The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my shadows!" > > The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" > > The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.