Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Man With Suspended License Joins Court Zoom Hearing While Driving Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 21:26:23 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <_hGdnR49YZaIVsX7nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com> Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2024 23:26:23 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4b00518ef602068e98bde4f199b5998a"; logging-data="3133859"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+aSNSPuGnKqqC2idHW+uuoiICE93pm4Eg=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:jtcUt8jf8Uj4GZnprDKQalmJVVA= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 4990 BTR1701 wrote: >Jun 1, 2024 at 10:27:02 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>"Michigan Friend of the Court" is the intermediary between the court and >>the state child welfare bureau. He needed not just the judge's order but >>paperwork from this office to file with the state's driver's license >>bureau. While there is an automatic process in which the driver's >>license bureau notes that there is a suspension due to a judge's order >>or other court action, there is no automatic process lifting the >>suspension >Isn't that f'n convenient. They can bother to set up the bureaucracy to >automatically notify them when you're punished but they have no time or desire >to do the same to notify them when it's over. >Fucking government... Plus, I'll bet he paid a huge fee to "Michigan Friend of the Court" to process paperwork that they failed to follow through with. My state set up this great process for child support. Deciding that every father is a deadbeat dad, the only way child support payments could be made is through a levy on his paycheck. It all went to a state contractor who sat on monies for up to a year and a half before dispersing them to the mothers. It wasn't optional for cooperative fathers, who even if they were willing to pay the mothers directly had no cash to spare. And I'm sure there were mandatory fees. Lehto made the same point you did. Make it an automated system to receive the court order lifting the suspension. Even if the driver must follow through by paying a fee, there's absolutely no need to wait to lift the suspension from his record immediately. >>(if there isn't something else on the record suspending the >>license) because the driver's services bureau may also impose its own >>fee to process paperwork lifting the suspension in their database. >I recently had a problem renewing my registration because the DMV system said >I had tolls I couldn't possibly have incurred and I had the proof to show >them. So I had to leave the DMV and go downtown to the Metro Toll Authority >because of course the DMV can put the block on, but they can't take it off. >Only the toll people can do that. Of course. They grudgingly took the tolls >off my record and lifted the registration bar, but they still charged me a >$125 'processing fee' to do it. >So I was completely innocent of the violations they claimed, yet I was still >out $125. And the only way to challenge that is to pay it up front then file a >series of appeals, all of which come with their own fees. And the cherry on >that shit sundae is that you know that in this age of computers and internet, >the 'processing' they're charging the fee for happens instantaneously in the >background with one computer talking to another. No human being has to do >anything, no man hours are involved, the Metro Toll Authority is out no money, >and so there's no justification for charging the fee to reimburse the state >for anything in the first place. It's just a convenient way for them to say, >"Now that we have you trapped here, we're just gonna reach into your wallet >and take some more money they we're not entitled to and good luck doing >anything about it." That's absolutely outrageous. I'm sure it was entirely their fault. The license plate reader matched plate numbers but not plate type nor which state issued the plate. We've heard plenty of times of toll violations issued to the owners of vehicles never driven in that state, and auto owners receiving citations that should have gone to a trucking company. When Mayor Richard M. Daley instituted kangaroo court here in Chicago, er, I mean, the municipal hearing process for violation of municipal ordinances, same thing. There was no practical way to appeal to state trial court because they kept the fines low enough that the court filing fees weren't worth paying.