Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: What Did You Watch? 2024-03-09 (Saturday) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 04:39:59 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 78 Message-ID: References: Injection-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 04:39:59 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="30250a25a01d60050efc90c451c82eaf"; logging-data="834824"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+7g25dxHnvnmoe3e2ljAE73w64RnK0F30=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:QN5vmN9q5dK4KLdWNg30TtJ+bCo= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 3728 Ian J. Ball wrote: >On 3/12/24 7:27 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>Ian J. Ball wrote: >>>On 3/12/24 6:37 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>>Ian J. Ball wrote: >>>>>On 3/12/24 11:12 AM, anim8rfsk wrote: >>>>>>Ian J. Ball wrote: >>>>>>>>. . . >>>>>>>Because SD looks like s**t on an 4k TV. >>>>>>>IOW, not just the "FX", but *everything*!! >>>>>>>I would have figured by 2002 that most everything was filming in HD - >>>>>>>"...Jules Verne" had done so 3 years prior, and even shows on The WB, >>>>>>>like "Babes of Prey" from the year previous, were filmed in HD. >>>>>>>But I guess it took until c.2005 before everything, even stuff like >>>>>>>"Tracker", was filmed in HD. >>>>>>Huh? >>>>>IOW, even through 2005, a lot of stuff was still filmed in SD. It wasn't >>>>>until 2005 that even low-rent stuff like "Tracker" was filmed in HD. >>>>Filmed in SD? That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works. >>>>The premiere color Western television series for the late 1950s and >>>>early 1960s were filmed on 35 mm film, just like movies. Some were in >>>>Technicolor. Even b&w filmed tv series were filmed on 35 mm movie film. >>>>By the mid to late '60s, they were using cheaper Eastman Color, which >>>>faded after three years or so. >>>>I just looked up Tracker: Super 16 mm Arriflex system. That's why it >>>>looked like crap. >>>>That's a method of television production that got worse. >>>>I'm not sure what we count as the first tv series videoed, not filmed, >>>>that didn't look like crap. Not The Secret Life of Jules Verne. >>>"CSI"? >>CSI was filmed for 16:9, I think from the beginning. >>Various Panavision cameras, 35 mm film >>>"Babes of Prey"? >>4:3 >>Arricam ST and Arricam 435. Both are 35 mm film systems. >>>I doubt either were "filmed", but both were HD. >>Both were filmed. Ian, you're not listening. >Try not to be tedious, Adam. I was listening. I just don't know off-hand >which shows were filmed and which were shot on tape. You could see with your own eyes. If the quality was better, then it was filmed on movie film. But I confirmed it with IMDb. >For instance, I didn't list "Smallville", as I am pretty sure that show >was filmed. 35 mm on a variety of Kodak/Eastman cameras. Super 35 3-perf pulldown which saves film and results in an image of approximately 16:9. IMDb sez video "positive film print" for broadcast, 16:9 anamorphic NTSC for season 1, and HDTV for the remaining seasons. Perhaps "printing directly to broadcast-quality video" without first creating an intermediate print on positive film wasn't practical in the late '90s. >. . .