Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Chris Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2024 07:17:46 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <59dc7029-32ce-5ecd-95bc-176055dc97cf@invalid.nospam> <86jzj8o4o6.fsf@example.com> <8244f8c9-e597-d8c9-704b-1ceb33ec03e4@invalid.nospam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2024 09:17:46 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ca2dd99451fb143b5281ecf8f9b0717c"; logging-data="3997651"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX192XKhWqJnMFu8eK16HLevQNqYxpgF6pRQ=" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LSHOvU0MRjg66iIgo49TDH0HeO8= sha1:hHffCh3lNASkSEeSbkPinzVnwZY= Bytes: 3184 Peter wrote: > Newyana2 wrote: >>>>> which Google & Apple both have a vested >>>>> interest in making easily trackable by not allowing you to keep them off. >>>> >>>> Can you cite a reliable source for this? >>> >>> Not only is it well known information, but there were already reliable >>> sources previously cited in this very thread by Newyana2, which you >>> shouldn't be asking me to repeat just because you didn't bother to look. >>> >> >> I think that's a reasonable question. I can turn off my >> Android cellphone, and I do. If it's really true that phones >> are now being made that can't be powered down, that's >> shocking and nonsensical. Not that I don't believe it, but >> I'd like to know the facts one way or the other. If that's really >> the case then I suppose the only way to stop tracking >> would be too keep the phone in something like a metal >> cigarette case. > > There are two issues that are moving in the wrong direction for privacy > which we have to take separately, but which both Apple & Google benefit > from by not allowing you to be safe from their tracking activities. > > 1. The phones still track even when you think you've turned them off. That's a user convenience to be able to find lost or stolen devices. Hugely beneficial. > 2. The bluetooth radios turn back on despite you turning them off. Not true on ios. You can turn it off permanently.