Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:48:25 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: The 1st Amendment Apparently Doesn't Exist in New York Either References: <58CcnV8UJNeyK637nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Message-ID: <-s2cnbtkjONkoaz7nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:48:25 +0000 Lines: 172 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-i6oUKZn2Dr3xNAvJ0wbipBaMIZxMT7PfOvadq2Y497+DJVYCa56mHTWrT4fXlE7Anq9rlI5hABRN2R4!aoc9JCXsIjWWqDH5WXqBl6kbWD741AchhZCGGPkZuOztfHXeIBLhDUQZTTE4QmrUw5iSANecYn+k X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 9231 X-Original-Lines: 159 On Apr 30, 2024 at 9:32:23 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" wrote: > BTR1701 wrote: > >> Fresh off a New York judge illegally declaring that 1/10th of the Bill of >> Rights has been repealed in her courtroom, the governor of New York has >> announced she'll be policing 1st Amendment protected speech if she doesn't >> like what you're saying. > >> New York Announces it Will Take Citizen Surveillance and Censorship to the >> Next Level > >> Like the plot to a dystopian movie, New York will now monitor social media >> writings, collect data, and use law enforcement to crack down on any >> expression it deems to be hate speech. > > The article is dated Friday, November 17, 2023. Yes, and? >> New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) announced on Monday that the state will ramp >> up >> surveillance efforts of social media accounts and that law enforcement will >> take proactive measures, including contacting people on suspicion of using >> "hate speech". > >> Hochul cited the rise in anti-Semitic activity in New York and especially New >> York City, where the world's largest population of Jews outside of Israel >> resides. Hochul also mentioned alleged "Islamophobic" incidents, which she >> claimed were increasing and going under-reported. > > Versus the previous governor who ignored dozens of VIOLENT incidents, in > the New York area and upstate. The worst during this period was the > Squirrel Hill massacre in 2018 but that was Pittsburgh. > >> The governor said she would also be increasing police presence, which she >> stated has been focused on protecting potential targets including "synagogues >> and yeshivas and mosques and any other place that could be susceptible to >> hate >> crimes or violence". > >> As part of that, Hochul explained, "...we're very focused on the data we're >> collecting from surveillance efforts-- what's being said on social media >> platforms. And we have launched an effort to be able to counter some of the >> negativity and reach out to people when we see hate speech being spoken about >> on online platforms. Our media analysis, our social media analysis unit, has >> ramped up its monitoring of sites to catch incitement to violence; direct >> threats to others, and all this is in response to our desire, our strong >> commitment, to ensure that not only do New Yorkers be safe, but they also >> feel >> safe because personal security is about everything for them." > >> [What the hell is the gobbledygook in that last sentence? "Not only do New >> Yorkers be safe"? "They also feel safe because personal security is about >> everything for them"? Who's writing this crap? Cardi B?] > > Heh > > I'm sure there were lots of arrests of low-hanging fruit loud mouths to > not only do New Yorkers be safe but they'll completely miss the incitement > and conspiracy to a specific mass violence incident. > >> Last month, Hochul and New York City Mayor Eric Adams demanded that social >> media platforms monitor speech and shut down "incitements to violence", with >> Adams insisting, "These guys are experts. If they don't want to do their job >> of policing themselves, I really believe it's time for the federal government >> to step in." > > Precrime! > >> The calls come as Europe ramps up censorship of alleged hate speech, >> including >> pressuring X owner Elon Musk to censor the posts of online users. > > The United States is the only country in the world with free speech as a > civil right. > >> Many European nations now have laws that have made the expression of >> religious >> beliefs to be viewed as banned speech. This week Finnish Member of Parliament >> (MP) Paivi Rasanen and a Lutheran bishop were acquitted after four years of >> trials and investigations simply for sharing the biblical view on marriage >> and >> sexuality. > > Four years! > >> And in the U.K., an Army veteran will soon be tried for silently >> praying for his deceased son outside of an abortion clinic. > > How did this not cause a diplomatic incident? Why would it? (The UK has an army, too.) > Stupid question, was his son actually born or is he counting an incident of > abortion? > >> [But notice these European countries never arrest the Muslims who openly >> call >> for the deaths of Jews and Americans.] > > Those used to be considered threats and not free speech under specific > circumstances. > >> In the U.S., politicians have demanded Internet censorship and have even >> engaged in it themselves. For example, the Supreme Court will soon hear >> Missouri v. Biden, a case in which the federal government coerced social >> media >> platforms to censor content it disagreed with-- even if the content was true. > >> Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington >> University and free speech advocate who has written extensively on the issues >> of censorship and limitations on speech, has cautioned the U.S. against >> adopting European censorship laws that allow governments to stop people from >> saying things that governments oppose. Despite what many think, "hate >> speech", >> which is subjective, is protected both by the Constitution and by Supreme >> Court precedent. > > The truth can be hateful. False speech may not be hateful but it can be > useless or said to lead others into false conclusions. > >> He wrote: > >> "There have been calls to ban hate speech for years. Even former journalist >> and Obama State Department official Richard Stengel has insisted that while >> "the 1st Amendment protects 'the thought that we hate'... it should not >> protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another. >> In an age when everyone has a megaphone, that seems like a design flaw." > > There were pamphlets circulated encouraging open revolution versus the > British leading to the war that founded this country. > >> Actually, it was not a design flaw but the very essence of the Framers' plan >> for a free society. > > Of course it's a design flaw. All hail George III! > >> The 1st Amendment does not distinguish between types of speech, clearly >> stating: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, >> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, >> or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to >> petition the government for a redress of grievances.'" > >> He cited Brandenburg v. Ohio, a 1969 case involving "violent speech", wherein >> the Supreme Court struck down an Ohio law prohibiting public speech that was >> deemed as promoting illegal conduct, specifically ruling for the right of the >> Ku Klux Klan to speak out, even though it is a hateful organization." > > The speech took place on private property. It actually could have been a > very narrow decision but it was a broadly expansive decision to protect > black civil rights leaders who might say something incendiary BUT NOT > incitement to unlawful activity from getting arrested for the violent or > destructive act of someone who had heard the speech. > >> That ruling led to National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie >> in >> 1977, where the Court unanimously ruled that the city government could not >> constitutionally deny a permit for the American Nazi Party to hold a march in >> the city streets, even in a city populated heavily by Holocaust survivors. > >> Turley also noted that in the 2011 case of RAV v. City of St. Paul, the Court >> struck down a ban on any symbol that 'arouses anger, alarm or resentment in >> others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender, and in Snyder >> v. Phelps, also in 2011, the Court said that "the hateful protests of >> Westboro >> Baptist Church were protected". > >> >> https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2023/11/new-york-announces-it-will-take-citizen-surveillance-and-censorship-to-the-next-level/?twclid=2-6oshw3g6bxsmwqt160vrgne5i