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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: The 1st Amendment Apparently Doesn't Exist in New York Either Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 10:09:56 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 99 Message-ID: References: <58CcnV8UJNeyK637nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <-s2cnbpkjOMsoKz7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 16:09:57 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0c83f6508d5a0d8ab96505af93f8f3c0"; logging-data="4093334"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+KYo2SRK+GVCGT1LWP/brI" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:9le9rCvry+ezK5ap8KHalsHqyUs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 6303 On 5/1/24 1:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , FPP > wrote: > >> On 4/30/24 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> On Apr 30, 2024 at 6:17:34 AM PDT, "FPP" wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/30/24 5:13 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> In the U.S., politicians have demanded Internet censorship and have >>>>> even engaged in it themselves. For example, the Supreme Court will soon >>>>> hear Missouri v. Biden, a case in which the federal government coerced >>>>> social media platforms to censor content it disagreed with-- even if >>>>> the content was true. >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington >>>>> University and free speech advocate who has written extensively on the >>>>> issues of censorship and limitations on speech, has cautioned the U.S. >>>>> against adopting European censorship laws that allow governments to >>>>> stop people from saying things that governments oppose. Despite what >>>>> many think, "hate speech", which is subjective, is protected both by >>>>> the Constitution and by Supreme Court precedent. >>>>> >>>>> He wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "There have been calls to ban hate speech for years. Even former >>>>> journalist and Obama State Department official Richard Stengel has >>>>> insisted that while "the 1st Amendment protects 'the thought that we >>>>> hate'... it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence >>>>> by one group against another. In an age when everyone has a megaphone, >>>>> that seems like a design flaw." >>>>> >>>>> Actually, it was not a design flaw but the very essence of the Framers' >>>>> plan for a free society. >>>>> >>>>> The 1st Amendment does not distinguish between types of speech, clearly >>>>> stating: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of >>>>> religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the >>>>> freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably >>>>> to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of >>>>> grievances.'" >>>>> >>>>> He cited Brandenburg v. Ohio, a 1969 case involving "violent speech", >>>>> wherein the Supreme Court struck down an Ohio law prohibiting public >>>>> speech that was deemed as promoting illegal conduct, specifically >>>>> ruling for the right of the Ku Klux Klan to speak out, even though >>>>> it is a hateful organization." >>>>> >>>>> That ruling led to National Socialist Party of America v. Village of >>>>> Skokie in 1977, where the Court unanimously ruled that the city >>>>> government could not constitutionally deny a permit for the American >>>>> Nazi Party to hold a march in the city streets, even in a city populated >>>>> heavily by Holocaust survivors. >>>>> >>>>> Turley also noted that in the 2011 case of RAV v. City of St. Paul, the >>>>> Court struck down a ban on any symbol that 'arouses anger, alarm or >>>>> resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or >>>>> gender, and in Snyder v. Phelps, also in 2011, the Court said that "the >>>>> hateful protests of Westboro Baptist Church were protected". > >>>>> https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2023/11/new-york-announces-it-will-take >>>>> -citizen-surveillance-and-censorship-to-the-next-level/?twclid=2-6oshw3g6b >>>>> xsmwqt160vrgne5i >>>> >>>> Jonathan Turley? Do better. You're a better lawyer than Jonathan >>>> Turley... and what does that say? >>> >>> More of Effa's standard 'blame the messenger' dodge. >>> >>> Notice he doesn't (and can't) refute the fact that the Supreme Court cases >>> cited by Turley actually exist and the rulings are what they are, so he >>> just attacks the person citing them. This is one of the classic rhetorical >>> and logical fallacies, one Effa has wholeheartedly embraced because he >>> thinks it allows him to win on Usenet on any given day. > >> Turley is an idiot. And he reads a calendar about as well as YOU read >> English. > > More of Effa's standard 'blame the messenger' dodge. > > Notice he doesn't (and can't) refute the fact that the Supreme Court > cases cited by Turley actually exist and the rulings are what they are, > so he just attacks the person citing them. This is one of the classic > rhetorical and logical fallacies, one Effa has wholeheartedly embraced > because he thinks it allows him to win on Usenet on any given day. > Turley is like every MAGA. A bullshitter and a clown. He made a learned legal argument that Biden was guilty when he wasn't even in office. That's bush league. -- "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0 Gracie, age 6. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0