Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:31:11 +0000 User-Agent: NewsTap/5.3.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:O309nFECNS/s0WOhB/SdHgufosY= Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Canada to Start Punishing People for Pre-Crime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: BTR1701 References: <17bc7ef34c89321a$26$2906873$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com> <17bcb94811ebbd65$131538$1588242$4cd50660@news.newsdemon.com> <17c01a4aa9c4d0e6$53402$2218499$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:31:11 +0000 Lines: 106 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-pAQ+G2U1TM4Ks3QHOjLTw8JB3O69jJoyAWld+eZWMTXIe+UOamubp8FNxV0+3ttmhl6iK4QrYBH6O6C!J68E0qScm3ogtOvLh0UbiDYRp+hxyWbClEkVSdBSUXPQqVVUKa9T5iT7jGz99pYODkhtE3ZPW5hM!Aw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 6515 moviePig wrote: > On 3/25/2024 3:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> On Mar 14, 2024 at 12:47:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >> >>> On 3/13/2024 10:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> In article <17bc7ef34c89321a$26$2906873$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>> moviePig wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3/13/2024 7:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/13/2024 4:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>> <17bc6a65e0fefe3d$133203$1098985$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2024 11:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In article <75r1vidlcuq3nd6lsnd4o1s254bn9khpgu@4ax.com>, >>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:10:11 -0400, Rhino >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A bill passed earlier in Trudeau's Reign of Error made people >>>>>>>>>>>> eligible for two years in prison for "mis-gendering" (i.e. correctly >>>>>>>>>>>> identifying the gender of an individual). They got away with tha >>>>>>>>>>>> so now they've upped the ante to put us in prison for life for >>>>>>>>>>>> hate speech. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I could be in trouble then since I have publicly and online >>>>>>>>>>> denounced the Gladue decision and the UNDRIP. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone pointed out to Trudeau how ironic it is that a guy who has >>>>>>>>>> been caught in blackface is now proposing life sentences for hate >>>>>>>>>> speech? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone suggested he lead by example and check himself into the >>>>>>>>>> nearest maximum security prison? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Trudeau's blackface wasn't a clear expression of hate ...which 'hate >>>>>>>>> speech' presumably is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, there's always an excuse for why "it's different when we do it". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ask any BLM/NAACP/black racial grievance group if they consider >>>>>>>> appearing blackface to be hate and I bet they have a different standard >>>>>>>> than you do. And the rules of political correctness say their definition >>>>>>>> controls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, there isn't "always an excuse" for why it might be "different". >>>>>>> Consider, for example, the recent discussion of RuPaul's book-banning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meanwhile, the question of 'hate' is determined by the offender's state >>>>>>> of mind, not the offendee's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not according to all the woke DEI training everyone has to go through these >>>>>> days. Your intent doesn't matter. It's the offended person's feelings that >>>>>> matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why people can get fired for using the word niggardly. Doesn't >>>>>> matter if the word has no racial meaning. Doesn't matter that the person >>>>>> who used it had no intent to offend. All that matters is that a stupid >>>>>> person with a stunted vocabulary was offended. >>>>> >>>>> 'Training' is presumably to let people know what things might be >>>>> unexpectedly injurious. >>>> >>>> No, they don't go through a list of what's offensive. They just tell you >>>> that it doesn't matter what you meant or intended. Only the offended >>>> person's thoughts and feelings matter. >> >> NOTE: In a current case against the ACLU, this is exactly what the ACLU is >> arguing: intent doesn't matter. Only the offense of the aggrieved matters. >> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/aclu-employee-fired-race-bias.html >> >> The case raises some intriguing questions about the wide swath of employee >> behavior and speech that labor law protects-- and how the nation's pre-eminent >> civil rights organization finds itself on the opposite side of that law, >> arguing that those protections should not apply to its former employee. >> >> A lawyer representing the ACLU, Ken Margolis, said during a legal proceeding >> last year that it was irrelevant whether Ms. Oh bore no racist ill will. All >> that mattered, he said, was that her black colleagues were offended and >> injured. >> >>>>> 'Hate' is what might be inferred of someone who does such things despite >>>>> already knowing. >>>>> >>>>> By now, we'd both bet that 'niggardly' is used primarily to taunt. >>>> >>>> Presumption of guilt. One of America's core values, amirite? >>> >>> Expectation isn't presumption. > > The article's paywalled but, if Ms. Oh had no reason to expect that her > black colleagues would be offended, the lawyer above seems to be full of > shit. And, since the ACLU isn't often full of shit, I'm guessing that > Ms. Oh might've unreasonably ignored a few common racial understandings. The exact opposite seems to be the case. See the thread titled "Re: ACLU Accuses Asian Attorney of Using 'Coded' Racism; Fires Her; ACLU Sued by Government" for a reproduction of the entire article. FYI: You can easily get past most paywalls by turning off JavaScript and reloading the page.