Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 03:36:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv References: <9kednTImBeTyi977nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>

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Content-Language: en-US From: trotsky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 198 Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 08:36:39 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 11677 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17d21145e4915e62$19319$3841210$c6d58c68@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 12074 On 5/20/24 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , moviePig > wrote: > >> On 5/20/2024 2:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , moviePig >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/19/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>> On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400 >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400 >>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the music. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> view? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class >>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to >>>>>>>>>>>>> whitey. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than >>>>>>>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised >>>>>>>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how >>>>>>>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that >>>>>>>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: >>>>>>>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an >>>>>>>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial >>>>>>>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they >>>>>>>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance >>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial >>>>>>>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, >>>>>>>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a >>>>>>>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations >>>>>>>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the job. >>>>>>>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that >>>>>>>>>>> needs to be fixed? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given >>>>>>>>>> instance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to >>>>>>>>> defend the indefensible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me help you out: The 'general policy' is to promote blacks, >>>>>>>> disproportionately if necessary, into visible prominence in order to >>>>>>>> change societal biases ...and even though every disproportionate such >>>>>>>> instance will, taken in isolation, feel "unjust". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> And when will there be enough black musicians in orchestras? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't you think a pro basketball team would make MORE money if it >>>>>>>>> had more white players? A considerable portion of their fans and >>>>>>>>> viewers must be white and I would imagine more white players would >>>>>>>>> be appreciated by white fans and viewers who would like to see >>>>>>>>> themselves represented. If my reasoning is correct, the team owners >>>>>>>>> are walking away from extra income by not having more white players >>>>>>>>> - and more Asians as well, who might also be basketball fans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Uh, no, not since Jackie Robinson. Today, teams make money by >>>>>>>> winning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> But orchestras must prioritize hiring on the basis of skin colour even >>>>>>> if it reduces the quality of the orchestra and therefore hurts ticket >>>>>>> sales, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, competing priorities is a zero-sum game -- a mathematical fact. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========