Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Alec Baldwin getting away with murder Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:43:51 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 115 Message-ID: References: <1797980814.731492324.194688.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com> <17ba9b03ee0e9624$13863$3298354$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com> <17bb7dcd927eaac1$133144$1098985$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:43:52 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bd0c541618a287d785fece4b76c3ffe4"; logging-data="3805039"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196dPK08xj8j5N9NUIeZibW" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:zXgaEC8ozV+e0zEAeqBArn2u7TM= In-Reply-To: <17bb7dcd927eaac1$133144$1098985$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 6206 On 3/10/24 3:26 PM, moviePig wrote: > On 3/10/2024 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article , FPP >> wrote: >> >>> On 3/8/24 10:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> In article , FPP >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3/7/24 5:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> In article >>>>>> <17ba9b03ee0e9624$13863$3298354$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>     moviePig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/7/2024 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> In article , Alan Smithee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 03/07/2024 01:42 PM, EGK wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 09:59:02 -0700, anim8rfsk >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Classic example of shit rolling downhill and our two-tiered >>>>>>>>>> justice >>>>>>>>>> system. Baldwin is "loose" with weapons on the set and he >>>>>>>>>> fires the >>>>>>>>>> fatal shot but because he hired a young and very inexperienced >>>>>>>>>> armorer, she ends up being the perfect scapegoat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you watch the trial yesterday? She was quoted as saying she >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> not be responsible for everyone on the set. Even tho it is her >>>>>>>>> job to >>>>>>>>> be responsible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Baldwin should be held accountable, but he will likely walk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once upon a time, I spent an afternoon on the CSI:HORATIO set as a >>>>>>>> technical advisor (the episode dealt with counterfeit currency >>>>>>>> and they >>>>>>>> took none of my advice regarding how what they were doing wasn't >>>>>>>> accurate in any way), and in every scene with guns, as soon as they >>>>>>>> yelled cut, the armorer zipped in and took everyone's pistols >>>>>>>> and put >>>>>>>> them on a table over in the corner of the sound stage. He stood >>>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>> over them until the resets were done and they were ready to go >>>>>>>> again, >>>>>>>> then he handed them all back out again.** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (I do not know if there was a separate sunglass wrangler for David >>>>>>>> Caruso.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **The armorer guy went white as a sheet near the end of the day >>>>>>>> when it >>>>>>>> came to his attention that I'd been sitting on set all afternoon >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> an actual loaded handgun under my suit coat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Based on what I saw that day and how firearms are treated on set >>>>>>>> by a >>>>>>>> responsible armorer, Baldwin should never have been playing >>>>>>>> around with >>>>>>>> a gun outside of an actual filmed scene, and certainly shouldn't >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> been pointing it at people. What possible reason could he have >>>>>>>> had for >>>>>>>> pointing it at the director and the DP? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was he not rehearsing a scene that called for him to point the >>>>>>> gun at >>>>>>> the camera and then to "fire"? If he was, then I can buy that he >>>>>>> did no >>>>>>> worse than most movie actors would've. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another thing the CSI folks had were dummy guns for such >>>>>> rehearsals. Big >>>>>> hunks of brightly-colored plastic that are shaped like handguns. >>>>>> >>>>>> E.g.: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.securityprousa.com/collections/training-guns >>>>>> >>>>>> They used those for rehearsals and only brought out the real guns >>>>>> for an >>>>>> actual take. Even in the actual take, only the people whose guns >>>>>> needed >>>>>> to cycle for realism were given real firearms. Everyone else had >>>>>> black >>>>>> painted gun replicas that were nothing but solid pieces of >>>>>> plastic. They >>>>>> looked real on camera but had no ability to shoot anything. >>>>>> >>>>> Then go and try THAT case, because it has nothing to do with THIS one. >>>> >>>> It shows that compared to other productions in the same industry, this >>>> movie was playing fast and loose with safety. >>>> >>> So prove that was Baldwin's fault. >> >> Baldwin was the producer. The captain is responsible for his ship. > > The captain hired a licensed armorer. > > And an Assistant Director who declared the gun "cold". He PLED out, while the armorer was convicted. -- "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0 Gracie, age 6. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0