Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: OT: Question for Anim Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 18:43:19 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 119 Message-ID: References: <1293120391.731908048.058066.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 22:43:19 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7576eea0876a7efd288b99184101511e"; logging-data="581450"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19JPqU85TeTQuWLpvHT8O4h" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:CwdWn/KcI15zIhLFEhoRQC4Jw5I= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 6426 On 3/12/24 5:50 AM, trotsky wrote: > On 3/12/24 2:59 AM, FPP wrote: >> On 3/12/24 12:06 AM, anim8rfsk wrote: >>> Dimensional Traveler wrote: >>>> Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your >>>> serious opinion on something.  Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion >>>> where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it >>>> charges >>>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC. >>>> Someone suggested video and audio (music) work. >>>> >>>> So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work?  And >>>> why please? >>>> >>> >>> Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting >>> and >>> kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were going to >>> start over. >>> >>> But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or >>> Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were  just in >>> the >>> way used windows. >>> >>> There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of >>> anything >>> else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. >>> They >>> would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac >>> that >>> cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of >>> stuff >>> to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the >>> computer >>> the Apple guys did. >>> >>> Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no doubt >>> Beta >>> was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >>> and underhanded pricing deals. So it won. >>> >>> The big thing, though was the software. The powerhouse software for >>> animation didn’t exist or existed in limited form for windows. We used >>> electric image for years and the big award-winning Intel inside >>> commercials >>> that everybody loved were done on Macs because the windows Intel >>> machines >>> couldn’t run electric image!  Linker systems, animation stand, which was >>> the big deal for coloring and animating traditional cel animation, same >>> notation. Mac only. >>> >>> Similar notations for audio editing and production. >>> >>> When I switched over to Maxon Cinema, 4D, because electric image got >>> destroyed by evil Ukrainians there was a larger penetration of Windows >>> users, but the serious version of the software and the serious users >>> of the >>> software were still all Apple based. >>> >>> About the only things we couldn’t use were MAX and MAYA. MAYA finally >>> came >>> around. Then there was light wave, which I never liked for a moment. >>> I told >>> the guys at IIRC zoic who were doing firefly, and the new Battlestar >>> Galactica, and the company was saying it was all done on lightwave that >>> while Galactically sucked firefly was by far the best light wave I’d >>> ever >>> seen. They laughed and fessed up that lightwave never got anywhere near >>> firefly; that was all Maya. Galactica was done by their B and C team in >>> lightwave, copying as best they could stylistically what the A-Team was >>> doing with Maya on firefly. >>> >>> >> >> You know what really made VHS more popular than Beta?  In the early >> days, VHS had a longer run time. Beta didn't. >> >>> Betamax’s ultimate demise was the shortage in recording times. A >>> longer film, or even the average sports game, would have to be >>> separated into at least two cassettes for the Betamax. But do you >>> know why Sony intentionally kept the cassettes small? >>> The cassette design was inspired by its predecessor U-matic. U-matic >>> had a recording time of only one hour. But since broadcasters were >>> the main user group of the U-matic, they never expressed any concerns >>> because studios had multiple machines running and typically had >>> commercial breaks separating recordings. >> >>> Based off these trends, Sony believed one hour cassettes would >>> suffice. They even dubbed the small size as “convenient” compared to >>> the larger VHS tapes. Even the Betamax’s longest cassette, the L-830 >>> tape, could only run for a maximum five hours versus VHS which >>> started creating tapes covering up to ten and a half hours of film. >>> Size does matter, and in this case the bigger the better. >>> Consequently, VHS took over the market as the standard home recording >>> device. >> >> >> Since most movies used to clock in at 2 hours and under, VHS was a no >> brainer. > > > I'm not sure how this is a discussion.  The only analog format left > standing is vinyl.  Hell shellac records are still playable.  Analog > consumer video tape is unwatchable by today's standards.  So is Anim8r's > Liberace act. > There are people who pay big money for old VHS movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKVLL0RcII -- "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0 Gracie, age 6. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0