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<20240518200826.00006faf@example.com> <20240519162832.00005523@example.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 23:30:49 +0000 Lines: 178 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-nHfqM9mQvSJZWWa5G2Pxc95bVyQoOG3N/1psXxnfyCVjWXzbgnCCRruA4aho0oTz2Mgny3ltpUdoL7e!XyeaYpFe+hEJtx/964mqp1mOf4CHlW6lmdrnWNJ2Ksdd5Hx9x4EiGt6+S0Jz7fv96pernIC3Yg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 10558 moviePig wrote: > On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote: >> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400 >> moviePig wrote: >> >>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400 >>>> moviePig wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> In article , >>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for >>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or >>>>>>>>>>>>> something.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black >>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days >>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that >>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and >>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most >>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so >>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see >>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or >>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call >>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply >>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because >>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume >>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure >>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support >>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way >>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was >>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be >>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny >>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, >>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be >>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that >>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most >>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it >>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and >>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are, >>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability >>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good >>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially >>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is >>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to >>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. >>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available >>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras >>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to >>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively >>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring >>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to >>>>>>>>>> play the music. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of >>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern >>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid >>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too >>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to >>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any >>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place). >>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' >>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your >>>>>>>>> view? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class >>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to >>>>>>>> whitey. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than >>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised >>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and >>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on >>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how >>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that >>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: >>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an >>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society. >>>>>> >>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial >>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they >>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance >>>>>> groups. >>>>>> >>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial >>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, >>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a >>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'? >>>>>> >>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations >>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the job. >>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that >>>>>> needs to be fixed? >>>>> >>>>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given >>>>> instance. >>>>> >>>> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to >>>> defend the indefensible. >>> >>> Let me help you out: The 'general policy' is to promote blacks, >>> disproportionately if necessary, into visible prominence in order to >>> change societal biases ...and even though every disproportionate such >>> instance will, taken in isolation, feel "unjust". >>> >> And when will there be enough black musicians in orchestras? >>> >>>>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals. >>>>> >>>> Don't you think a pro basketball team would make MORE money if it >>>> had more white players? A considerable portion of their fans and >>>> viewers must be white and I would imagine more white players would >>>> be appreciated by white fans and viewers who would like to see >>>> themselves represented. If my reasoning is correct, the team owners >>>> are walking away from extra income by not having more white players >>>> - and more Asians as well, who might also be basketball fans. >>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========