Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 17:46:30 +0000 Subject: Re: Can Jews be Nazis? Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling,rec.arts.tv,uk.comp.sys.mac,edm.general,sci.electronics.design References: <664b6ed6$0$981$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <8c1n4jlaremj3e14m06inr24j82v6evnnf@4ax.com> <664b8b35$0$980$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> From: % Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 10:46:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <664b8b35$0$980$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 240520-6, 2024-5-20), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: Lines: 120 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-CyLT33MhsJRRzz4fMm3Jy+qCbKxWlYvLdOslwOAApHWwqjkCy3eLs0K+065Oi6DKA869FfdHujvqdaF!vR2nSVLJPTrdf9AaGRbMJuAXJQ2MKVDA6oJE/laxsTpykD8/0dcoyUe0b5C8tjXYm2MMMxc8a/5G X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 7180 bitrex wrote: > On 5/20/2024 1:26 PM, john larkin wrote: >> On Mon, 20 May 2024 09:33:29 -0700, % wrote: >> >>> john larkin wrote: >>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024 11:40:06 -0400, bitrex wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/20/2024 9:57 AM, john larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 24 23:57:56 UTC, NefeshBarYochai >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> BY STEPHEN F. EISENMAN >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For many people, the question is inflammatory. The crimes of the >>>>>>> German Nazis were of such magnitude that comparison with any other >>>>>>> historical violence is invidious. The genocide of the Jews was >>>>>>> deliberate and methodical and intended to eliminate every last one. >>>>>>> The goal was the same with the Romani and Sinti people. By >>>>>>> comparison, >>>>>>> the Israelis – currently accused of genocide — are rank amateurs. >>>>>>> They >>>>>>> have so far killed some 35,000 Palestinians in Gaza out of a >>>>>>> population of 2.3 million. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the question, “Can Jews be Nazis?” is nevertheless important for >>>>>>> challenging claims of moral inoculation by virtue of the Jewish >>>>>>> experience of the Holocaust. If Israeli leaders are indeed >>>>>>> committing >>>>>>> a genocide in Gaza – as seems the case — they inhabit the same moral >>>>>>> universe as the German Nazis, regardless of the suffering of past >>>>>>> generations. In addition to the 35,000 killed, the war in Gaza has >>>>>>> injured another 75,000 and displaced 2 million. Most of the victims >>>>>>> are women and children – how can their deaths be justified? Israeli >>>>>>> cabinet ministers, Knesset members, military personnel, and police >>>>>>> have all freely spoken of their wish to force Palestinians into >>>>>>> Egypt, >>>>>>> establish Jewish-only settlements in Gaza, and even use an atomic >>>>>>> bomb >>>>>>> to kill everyone in the Gaza strip. (U.S. senator Lindsay Graham >>>>>>> recently also suggested using a nuclear weapon against Gaza.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At the end of WWII, German cities and industry were heaps of burnt >>>>>> rubble, much worse than Gaza today. Half of Germany was occupied by >>>>>> the USSR. About 6 million jews had been starved and gassed to >>>>>> death by >>>>>> the nazis. About 100 million people died in WWII. >>>>>> >>>>>> Israel wants to survive and is arguably doing what it must do to >>>>>> survive. The bad guys aren't Israel, they are Iran and Hamas and the >>>>>> many other savages, kidnappers, bombers, and rapists. >>>>>> >>>>>> The extreme islamists want to kill all the jews and take their land. >>>>>> The citizens of Israel of course object. Thay have atom bombs and >>>>>> havedn't used them, even after the drons attacks from Iran. >>>>> >>>>> If heavily nuclear-armed nations still routinely feel in great >>>>> danger of >>>>> their sovereignty and land being taken then it's hard to know what >>>>> else >>>>> to do for them that could make them feel any safer. >>>>> >>>>>> Long-term, Israel can't allow Iran to have nukes, because they know >>>>>> that Iran will use them on Israeli cities and welcome retaliation as >>>>>> blessed martyrdom. >>>> >>>> Exacrly.  What's scary is that the extremist islamists are eager for >>>> martyrdom, especially somebody else's. The lunatics in Iran may think >>>> that a nuclear exchange is worth it if it kills a lot of jews. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Iran has probably noticed that no nuclear-armed state has ever been >>>>> conquered, it's unclear if Israel knows. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Iranian leadership no doubt has nuke-proof tunnel complexes, built >>>> at great expense. Strange how some people like to live underground. >>>> Sounds nasty and stinky to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> anything to bugger the americans , >>> who want to lay claim to all the land >> >> The US has not forcibly acquired land since the war with Mexico. The >> central USA and Alaska were purchased. The people of Alaska and Hawaii >> voted to become states. The people of Puerto Rico can vote to be a >> state or to be an independent country. >> >> Some countries and their kings or dictators, throughout history, have >> wanted to acquire territory, even when they are busy trashing their >> own conntries. That is really weird and it's still happening now. >> Stupid tribalism. >> > > The US operates 750 military bases in 80 countries worldwide, so it's a > bit strange to hear other Americans speculate on which _other_ world > powers are the "militant and aggressively expansionist" ones. > > My hypothesis: you could close 3/4ths of them and materially nothing > would change geopolitically or for the lives or day-to-day safety of any > average American, either short or long-term. > > The US also maintains about 1500 deployed nuclear weapons and Russia > about the same. Could cut that down to about 50 each and this would be > nothing but a good deal. Having 1500 ready to go clearly didn't prevent > Russia from invading anyone, or allow us to prevent it from happening! > > Weapons that you can never use but are enormously expensive to maintain > (and have a very non-negligible chance of accidentally causing a > civilization-wrecking catastrophe) are pretty dubious value. > > Gorbachev purportedly pitched a similar idea but Reagan rejected it, he > thought Star Wars had a chance of being something other than make-work. > > i'm glad you get the picture