Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 05:23:45 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: GUILTY. All 34 counts. References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 22:20:33 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 39 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-y7D2tlJOPP1f4j52urBUirESbANP4siEaZBglzrZTo9zKw76/svs9OfC/WZtal9UvwzkfAaFR3Ticte!oqJS0wvkVEs/koREjImUiAoyJniCXJ2U2A0M72zwy2AKyfk0qU7E8rrn9Zyi0iP3tvE7WWrwO5is!MqY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2883 In article , shawn wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jun 2024 02:06:04 +0000, BTR1701 wrote: > > >On Jun 4, 2024 at 5:59:11 PM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" > >wrote: > > > >> On 6/4/2024 9:00 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >>> Dimensional Traveler wrote: > >>>> On 6/3/2024 7:31 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >>>>> Can one intend to commit a crime be proven without the crime having > >>>>> been committed? The intent is the criminal act for the purpose of the > >>>>> criminal charge of fraud based on proving intent in the underlying > >>>>> crime? > >>> > >>>>> I don't get it. > >>> > >>>> Possession of tools to commit burglary. > >>> > >>> I'm going to need a little more here to understand what the state must > >>> prove. Do the police need to find evidence of what property was about to > >>> be burgled? Otherwise I don't see how intent to commit the crime of > >>> burglary could be proved. > >> > >> I was meaning to point out that possession of the tools used to commit > >> burglaries is, in and of itself, illegal in most jurisdictions. There > >> is no need to prove that there was a burglary committed or even an > >> intent to commit one. Just having the tools to do so is illegal. > > > >There has to be more than mere possession because every typical American > >household contains the tools to commit burglary. > > > Isn't it an issue of having the tools on your person while outside the > home? So it doesn't matter what you have at home. Well, I carry a crowbar and bolt cutters as standard equipment in the back of my car, yet I've never burglarized anything.