Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 23:40:56 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: [OT] German politician successfully prosecuted for telling the truth References: <20240522125702.0000756a@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 23:40:56 +0000 Lines: 80 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-eivsH5b4lJzQLgKdT3hQupvNdQVAXH/agAVSo5k30tGa0EMDMzS/7/PmHs9QASKW8aFljzkzVOiHuck!c0qXlC3IxaxjWyLn9imLpM9QBb7WQ9phbEXvJdIW15L/yn44OHPKYWyXji64LQb8/jBcXIoXEbP4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4830 X-Original-Lines: 79 On May 24, 2024 at 12:46:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: > On 5/24/2024 2:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article , >> moviePig wrote: >> >>> On 5/23/2024 11:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> In article , >>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense >>>>>>>>>>> against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously, >>>>>>>>>>> it isn't. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, the truth is now illegal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in >>>>>>>>>> a discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred" >>>>>>>>>> merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because >>>>>>>> you've created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some >>>>>>>> nebulous concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all >>>>>>>> political opposition and have created a dictatorial society where >>>>>>>> anyone who speaks against you is criminalized. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about >>>>>>>> the need to "protect muh democracy!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world >>>>>>> to allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The >>>>>>> ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding >>>>>>> judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred" >>>>>>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is >>>>>>> unconstitutional >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional' >>>>>> isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here, >>>>>> it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional. >>>>>> >>>>>>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore. (Isn't >>>>> it?) How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography? >>>> >>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/l >>>> HOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14 >>>> >>>> Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested? >>> >>> I don't understand what I'm seeing/hearing there. >> >> A large crowd in front of Trump Tower chanting "New York hates you!" > > If there's a law against expression of hate for an individual, sure? So for you, all it takes is a legislature's say so and freedom of speech is legitimately wiped off the map?