Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: [OT] The mass graves that never were? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2024 14:19:11 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <20240530193243.00006135@example.com> Injection-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2024 16:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="12c5c9c3c3db82020c0885789847cb44"; logging-data="4117998"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1830bhIJBiiQnmWRJOKG7tKj/vFAb9pRVQ=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:YhT7nZZKZt881xbyYhVODLznyd0= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 3433 The Horny Goat wrote: >Sun, 02 Jun 2024 13:07:18 -0700, BTR1701 wrote: >>About a month and a half a go, I went to a city council meeting for the >>first time because I wanted to see what their plans were regarding some >>adjustments to traffic flow in my neighborhood. >I started attended our local council meetings a little over 20 years >go and while I've not kept stats have probably attended 85+% of them >in that time. >>The meeting started not with the Pledge of Allegiance to America, but >>rather an "acknowledgment" that America is systemically racist and the >>land our city is built on was stolen from the Gabrieleno Tongva tribe. >Does it actually say "stolen"? (I'd rather doubt it) Why do you doubt it? Of the land acknowledgements I've heard, they typically say "stolen". Land typically changed hands throughout human history due to war and conquest, including among Indian tribes. How is this in dispute? Here's a sarcastic land (and labor) acknowledgement the president of our School wrote. I wanted him to acknowledge capital as well, but as that comes from labor anyway, he didn't want to acknowledge it separately. It's a long-winded way of saying that even if the Indians who came before the English, French, and Spanish in what's now America had comparable systems of land tenure that European colonists would have acknowledged, land had nearly no value while the place was sparsely population. Land Acknowledgment We recognize that this land was occupied by other folks before us. Some of them may have practiced more just systems of land tenure. Because no human created land, all land titles are necessarily the result of conquest, force, and fraud. We assert that land belongs in usufruct to the living. And that rent is justly shared among the community. Determining exactly who is the "community" and how the rent should be shared among them are legitimate topics for discussion, that we'll probably never all completely agree on. Labor Acknowledgment Unlike the Federal capitol, none of our buildings was constructed by slave labor, and our city is not named after an enslaver. Labor improved the land we occupy by raising its level to improve drainage, and by building, maintaining and continuing to operate the infrastructure which makes it more useful. >. . .