Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Man strikes back against Seaside California order with boat mural Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 11:04:46 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 92 Message-ID: References: <20240513170449.000014ff@example.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 17:04:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="94366735e5427dfc90efdd55f027150c"; logging-data="996316"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Uuby8WuX+Fldf6o6xHPp0E+UJnZZhC58=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:VGKkWuueWMDKmxyjdF4G+5myKh4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 5093 On 5/14/2024 7:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , moviePig > wrote: > >> On 5/14/2024 6:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , moviePig >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/14/2024 1:41 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 5/13/2024 7:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 6:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 5:04 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 20:49:19 -0000 (UTC) >>>>>>>>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm guessing that Seaside California is on the ocean and lots of >>>>>>>>>>>> residents own boats? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A man had his boat on his property. He was told that municipal >>>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>>> required him to install a 6 foot tall fence around it to comply >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He built the fence then painted a realistic mural of a boat on the >>>>>>>>>>>> fence. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Man strikes back against Seaside order with boat mural >>>>>>>>>>>> by Torstein Rehn >>>>>>>>>>>> KSBW-TV News Channel 8 >>>>>>>>>>>> Updated: 1:22 PM PDT May 13, 2024 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I didn't see anything in the article explaining WHY he had to have >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> fence around his boat. Is this a case of "Because we said so!" or >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> there a sensible reason for the policy? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the fence he built, it's brilliant! We should all do that >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> faced with unjust laws and rules: either fight them (if we can) or >>>>>>>>>>> mock them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A mural of a boat is likely less of an eyesore than an actual boat. >>>>>>>>>> And if somehow it weren't, it probably runs afoul of other community >>>>>>>>>> codes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But community codes are subordinate to the 1st Amendment. A boat >>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>> speech but a mural of a boat *is* speech and community codes will >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> to do a lot of heavy lifting to overcome the law's heavy presumption >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> favor of protecting speech. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In this instance, the mural would seem to be "speech" only to the >>>>>>>> extent >>>>>>>> that it argues against the ordinance it's responding to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doesn't matter why it's speech or what it's trying to say. The >>>>>>> government isn't allowed to restrict speech based on content or the >>>>>>> speaker's message. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your 3-year-old's random finger-painting isn't "speech". >>>>> >>>>> It is with regard to government censorship. Even 3-year-olds have rights. >>>> >>>> Of course it isn't, assuming he used more than his middle finger. >>> >>> Yes, it is. >>> >>> You're doing that thing again where you confuse what you want the law to >>> be with what the law actually is. >> >> You mean... think? > > No, where you pretend the law is something other than what it actually > is. Yes, I try to maintain awareness that a law is only how it's interpreted, which on occasion does involve a rational judiciary.