Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 18:57:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Inconvenient lefties Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv References: <17c2951988fe8093$63098$3121036$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com> <17c2cf26c4db72b2$7802$1100308$44d50e60@news.newsdemon.com> <17c2e3252df08033$63111$3121036$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com> <6IWdnbOgZM0be5D7nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com> <17c31e036847f89d$33224$111488$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com> <17c333d2cd5539d8$169757$3716115$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17c3425456280d71$51966$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com> <17c37b6c29057425$4757$3037545$10d55a65@news.newsdemon.com> <25Ccnb-dnerIwo37nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Language: en-US From: moviePig In-Reply-To: <25Ccnb-dnerIwo37nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 91 Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 22:57:07 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 5299 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17c3845f233a098e$3282$2820980$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 5704 On 4/5/2024 4:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > moviePig wrote: >> On 4/4/2024 10:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article >>> <17c3425456280d71$51966$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com>, >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/4/2024 9:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article >>>>> <17c333d2cd5539d8$169757$3716115$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/4/2024 3:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article <17c31e036847f89d$33224$111488$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 2:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2024 at 8:36:11 AM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 5:50 AM, FPP wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you own it, you can burn it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But not at a gay-pride march under laws against hate speech. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are no laws against hate speech in the United States. If any >>>>>>>>>>> legislature should pass such a law, it would be unconstitutional. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ...until some future SCOTUS rules differently. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, any law can be repealed, decision overturned, and constitution >>>>>>>>> amended, but your statement wasn't that of a future wish but as a >>>>>>>>> (fallacious) recitation of the status quo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I "recited" nothing. I (deliberately) posed a hypothetical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You didn't indicate at all that it was a hypothetical. You made the >>>>>>> simple statement, in response to Effa saying that if you own (a rainbow >>>>>>> flag) you can burn it, "but not at a gay-pride march under laws against >>>>>>> hate speech". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where's the hypothetical there? Looks like it's a statement of what you >>>>>>> believe to be the status quo of American law. >>>>>> >>>>>> I said (and say) that such confrontational flag-burning is what a law >>>>>> against hate speech prohibits. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, and we don't have laws against hate speech because they're >>>>> unconstitutional. >>>>> >>>>> Hate speech is protected 1st Amendment speech. >>>>> >>>>>> I didn't cite a particular instance because I didn't know of any -- though >>>>>> it now seems I might've found some in Canadian law. >>>>> >>>>> Well, of course. Canadia has neither a constitution nor a 1st Amendment, >>>>> so its government can and does infringe on their freedom to speak with >>>>> appalling regularity. Not only can the Canadidian government prohibit >>>>> entire categories of speech altogether, it's free to take sides, to >>>>> create double standards where some speech and protests are allowed >>>>> (e.g., pro-Hamas) and other are brutally repressed (e.g., truckers) >>>>> based on whether the government agrees with and approves of the speaker >>>>> or not. >>>>> >>>>>> Regardless, the point I've always defended is that 'hate speech' is as >>>>>> much of an identifiable phenomenon as, say, pornography, and imo not >>>>>> necessarily entitled *in principle* to "free speech" protections. >>>>> >>>>> And according to 200+ years of 1st Amendment jurisprudence, you'd be >>>>> wrong. >>>> >>>> Yes, anytime one disagrees with a published opinion, one is -- according >>>> to that published opinion -- "wrong". >>> >>> Yes, when that opinion defines the law of the nation, making directly >>> contradictory claims in Usenet posts does make you wrong. >> >> What *opinion* -- of anything anywhere -- can't be contradicted? Fyi, >> *that* would be a violation of 'free speech'... > > No one's muzzling or prohibiting you from making contradictory statements > regarding the SCOTUS ruling. However, your right to free speech doesn't > immunize you from being wrong or bar others from pointing out your > wrongness. ....where "wrongness" means "of differing opinion".