Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Don Y Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Predictive failures Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 04:05:37 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <1qs5i1v.oaam7t1jq8zlmN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 13:05:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2b43e3ad6cfda17a11cedcbd329c2ac9"; logging-data="1661638"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+BmJYbYRqRB4Dx4u4YxNIj" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:eAC/lX8FZlfZIQBlcjiEo9sgKC8= In-Reply-To: <1qs5i1v.oaam7t1jq8zlmN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2334 On 4/17/2024 12:56 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > Don Y wrote: > >> ...When I was designing for pharma, my philosophy was >> to make it easy/quick to replace the entire control system. Let someone >> troubleshoot it on a bench instead of on the factory floor (which is >> semi-sterile). > > That's fine if the failure is clearly in the equipment itself, but what > if it is in the way it interacts with something outside it, some > unpredictable or unrecognised input codition? It works perfectly on the > bench, only to fail when put into service ...again and again. Then the *replacement* -- now installed in the system -- would have the same faulty behavior as the "pulled" unit. Lending credibility to the pulled unit NOT being at fault. When the control system is a 7 ft tall, 24 inch rack, bolted to the floor, your only option is to troubleshoot the system there, taking the system out of production while doing so.