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Content-Language: en-US From: trotsky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 254 Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 09:00:34 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 12946 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17d21293e38f5a3d$19329$3841210$c6d58c68@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 13343 On 5/22/24 10:03 AM, FPP wrote: > On 5/20/24 4:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article , moviePig >> wrote: >> >>> On 5/20/2024 2:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> In article , moviePig >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/19/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400 >>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400 >>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screens so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riots, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whites) is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the music. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elimination of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world >>>>>>>>>>>>>> class >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitey. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensembles on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: >>>>>>>>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an >>>>>>>>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial >>>>>>>>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they >>>>>>>>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance >>>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial >>>>>>>>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both >>>>>>>>>>>> cases, >>>>>>>>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, >>>>>>>>>>>> but a >>>>>>>>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both >>>>>>>>>>>> organizations >>>>>>>>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the >>>>>>>>>>>> job. >>>>>>>>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that >>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be fixed? ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========