Path: ...!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 16:51:00 +0000 From: Joe Gwinn Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: AD5791 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 12:50:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-0Fl0L8aZYjY0xHU8S2grrzvi+hGBCSAcO9u1P26tkJhQ3Zkyly8xDvoieDL+4z98PdJBDhZy30JvRq1!NmJOPj8v32qxIWKa/P6hGakwfZ00jVj/Od5BU9aokQGTVt/ZTos4DAaLlMY5p2VK7vzxHYI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2308 On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 13:56:36 -0700, john larkin wrote: >On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 21:53:13 +0200, Jeroen Belleman > wrote: > >>On 6/4/24 19:48, john larkin wrote: >>> https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad5791.html >>> >>> That's an amazing part. 20 bit DAC with 1 PPM accuracy and 0.05 PPM >>> per degree C tempco. >>> >>> My main gripe is its 3.4K output impedance, which makes a lot of >>> Johnson noise. I suppose I could run a bunch in parallel. >>> >> >>But you can power the chip from +/-16V and the LSB can be in >>the 25uV ballpark. The Johnson noise of 7.5nV/rtHz doesn't >>seem so bad then, does it? >> >>Jeroen Belleman > >That helps some. +-14v is about the limit on the references. We'd have >to divide down to get our +-10v range back, and that would need some >crazy stable resistors. > >Looks like the other way to get the noise down would be to parallel a >number of DACs. Times 8 channels! Ballpark $100 per DAC, which is >actually feasible. > >It will of course need crazy-low-noise hyper-stable references. > >I wonder how ADI tests these parts. I can't buy a 1 PPM accurate DVM. Aren't 6.5-digit DMMs exactly 1PPM? Joe Gwinn