Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: [OT] German politician successfully prosecuted for telling the truth Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 15:46:34 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 76 Message-ID: References: <20240522125702.0000756a@example.com> <4-OdnQTEt7B6lc37nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 21:46:35 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e9250a95934dfcf62d9d60a7824d3f11"; logging-data="2601030"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/uT+sSs0U0EQ9Poz1cQtMkOxUawHF0IZ8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:vBOCnGNsd2btCym4/kw+HVvqKL0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4711 On 5/24/2024 2:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > moviePig wrote: > >> On 5/23/2024 11:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense >>>>>>>>>> against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously, >>>>>>>>>> it isn't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I said, the truth is now illegal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in >>>>>>>>> a discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred" >>>>>>>>> merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because >>>>>>> you've created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some >>>>>>> nebulous concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all >>>>>>> political opposition and have created a dictatorial society where >>>>>>> anyone who speaks against you is criminalized. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about >>>>>>> the need to "protect muh democracy!" >>>>>> >>>>>> There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world >>>>>> to allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The >>>>>> ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding >>>>>> judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred" >>>>>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is >>>>>> unconstitutional >>>>> >>>>> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional' >>>>> isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here, >>>>> it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional. >>>>> >>>>>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here. >>>>> >>>>> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere. >>>> >>>> Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore. (Isn't >>>> it?) How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography? >>> >>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/l >>> HOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14 >>> >>> Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested? >> >> I don't understand what I'm seeing/hearing there. > > A large crowd in front of Trump Tower chanting "New York hates you!" If there's a law against expression of hate for an individual, sure?