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<20240518200826.00006faf@example.com> <20240519162832.00005523@example.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 16:57:28 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ba9ef2bda203b97a72c94505bb3af5e2"; logging-data="55940"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19g6znDNiKywcA78ndVEeplslBq6THM74s=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:eeLr4w3Qj5DCLDFiGqcc659mEfc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 10681 On 5/19/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > moviePig wrote: >> On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote: >>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400 >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400 >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black >>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days >>>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that >>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and >>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most >>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so >>>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see >>>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or >>>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call >>>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply >>>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because >>>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume >>>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure >>>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support >>>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way >>>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was >>>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be >>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny >>>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, >>>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be >>>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that >>>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most >>>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it >>>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and >>>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are, >>>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability >>>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good >>>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially >>>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is >>>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to >>>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. >>>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available >>>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras >>>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to >>>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively >>>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring >>>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to >>>>>>>>>>> play the music. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of >>>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern >>>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid >>>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too >>>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to >>>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any >>>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place). >>>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' >>>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your >>>>>>>>>> view? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class >>>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to >>>>>>>>> whitey. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than >>>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised >>>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and >>>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on >>>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how >>>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that >>>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: >>>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an >>>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial >>>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they >>>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance >>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial >>>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, >>>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a >>>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations >>>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the job. >>>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that >>>>>>> needs to be fixed? >>>>>> >>>>>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given >>>>>> instance. >>>>>> >>>>> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to >>>>> defend the indefensible. >>>> >>>> Let me help you out: The 'general policy' is to promote blacks, >>>> disproportionately if necessary, into visible prominence in order to >>>> change societal biases ...and even though every disproportionate such >>>> instance will, taken in isolation, feel "unjust". >>>> >>> And when will there be enough black musicians in orchestras? >>>> >>>>>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals. >>>>>> >>>>> Don't you think a pro basketball team would make MORE money if it >>>>> had more white players? A considerable portion of their fans and >>>>> viewers must be white and I would imagine more white players would >>>>> be appreciated by white fans and viewers who would like to see >>>>> themselves represented. If my reasoning is correct, the team owners >>>>> are walking away from extra income by not having more white players >>>>> - and more Asians as well, who might also be basketball fans. >>>> >>>> Uh, no, not since Jackie Robinson. Today, teams make money by ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========