Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Don Y Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: British (european?) kitchen counter electric outlets Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 17:41:36 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <1quvk5k.dbn40q1ggrom8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 02:42:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="49fd7dc594caad62786a3c23aebde2cd"; logging-data="4125069"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18201cVcGi8bDV5nVXQCW9V" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:xGB4g9+hwQ/Gc5yUsJTN3PORDNM= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2938 On 6/9/2024 3:50 PM, TTman wrote: >> Yes, I've seen that.  And, they are *huge* (comparatively speaking; >> a duplex receptacle, here, is a ~1x~3 inch device about an inch thick). >> >> Ours also reside *in* the wall; I seem to remember the ones in England >> were "on" the wall (?) > > In the UK we have slim sockets now.... protruding maybe 2mm from the wall. So, they fit *into* the wall? Is the wiring concealed in the wall and routed to the outlet(s) from within? There is a product here called "Wiremold" that can be entirely surface mounted (junction boxes as well as cable runs). But, it would typically not be found in most homes (kitchens). A "Plugmold" product provides similarly (permanently) mounted "outlet strips" Basements/garages/exteriors will often have surface mounted junction boxes with cable runs in EMT or rigid conduit, usually required by local code (to protect the wiring). E.g., I run all of my exterior network cabling in EMT with water-tight fittings as it makes for a cleaner looking installation and affords some protections against physical damage. > Earlier types protruded around 10mm and before that ( we called them surface > mount) they protruded 25mm-40 mm.Our duplex sockets measure 6" wide x 3"high As I said, a duplex receptacle would be about 1"x3" and sell for as little as 77c or as much as ~$10 (QTY 1 -- though most would be purchased in much larger quantities) depending on the features desired (ampacity, cosmetics, tamper resistance, etc.) You can (just barely -- and with many qualifications) install one into a Jbox of ~10 cu in internal volume. A single gang device typically exposes a 2x4" opening, covered by a 3.5x5" decorative plate