Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 11:19:50 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 11:19:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7b2dfb52a2545f32ded9b03629a80d37"; logging-data="3465189"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Yu7rEW44v0JwY87RX3+bu" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/nanIqpZGo5DLUnE95GM/862Xac= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4007 Op 02.jun.2024 om 01:12 schreef olcott: > On 6/1/2024 6:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 6/1/24 6:40 PM, olcott wrote: >>> >>> Show me where I said anything in the above spec about an aborted >>> simulation. >> >> So, why did HH stop simulating after some n steps? >> >> Did it reach a final state in the simulation? if not, it ABORTED its >> simulation. >> >>> >>> When every possible which way DD correctly simulated by HH never reaches >>> past its own simulated line 03 then >> >> And a simulation either goes until it reaches a final state of the >> machine it is simulating, or it aborted its simulation. >> > > typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C > 00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i); > 01       int DD(ptr p) > 02       { > 03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p); > 04         if (Halt_Status) > 05           HERE: goto HERE; > 06         return Halt_Status; > 07       } > 08 > 09       int main() > 10       { > 11         HH(DD,DD); > 12         return 0; > 13       } > > When every DD correctly simulated by any HH cannot possibly reach > past its own simulated line 03 in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation > of DD by HH then we have exhaustively examined every possible HH/DD > pair and each element has of this infinite set has the same property. Similarly: When every HH correctly simulated by itself cannot possibly reach its own simulated return in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation of HH by HH then we have exhaustively examined every possible HH/DD pair and each element has of this infinite set has the same property. > > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > And since HH is part of that input, it proves that none of these HH halt.